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The ensembles haven't wavered from a colder solution than the op for a while now. It has been consistent.

The GFS and Euro ensemble means have been trending warmer for much of next week. The larger ensemble spread and lower resolutions, in the medium range, would cause them to still be colder than ops.

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The GFS and Euro ensemble means have been trending warmer for much of next week. The larger ensemble spread and lower resolutions, in the medium range, would cause them to still be colder than ops.

That's the thing I also have been seeing. The point is that no one really knows what's going to happen after mid month and the change to colder weather is going to happen. I am not saying that snow will come with it but it will feel different than what we are experiencing right now. I think we have to wait for the NAO and AO to be in favorable states in order to see snow. If that means a great January and February, then I will wait that long. Last year we had to wait till the end of the month, even with a -NAO and -AO.

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most boring month of the year potentially?

someone is going to have to revive me in january, hopefully not jan 2013 lol

yea man. this is absolutely brutal. no thunderstorms, earthquakes, hurricanes, nothing. Its like living in Arizona

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The people I am talking about are not mets from penn state, he follows a select bunch of loonies who don't know their ass from their head. Some of them are completely off their rocker, and I am intentionally not naming names.

that being said, I don't think you will find any pro mets from this board who agree with your penn state source, but that wasn't my reference anyway.

I really do not care if any of the pro mets from this board agree with the pro met I am talking about or not...

What is important to me when it comes to Pro Mets is their track record...

And this particular Pro Mets track record is OUTSTANDING....

Further more the EPO stays negative on the ECM ensemble means (and more negative then last nights runs) while there has not been much change in the other teleconnections.

Obviously too strong of a - EPO can mean a strong southeast ridge but what I am seeing is a gradient pattern setting up (which is what I have been consistently talking about) and where this gradient sets up will determine any "storm threats"

If you are on the Northern side of this gradient then your winter prospects in "storm threats : will be greater then if you are on the southern side..

The question is where that sets up...and ATM with the operationals you have no answer because they keep bouncing back and forth so that is then why you turn to the ensemble means and you see that they are more consistent with where this sets up...

By the way National Weather Service out of Mt Holly also talks about the same thing that I just mentioned above in reference to the upcoming frontal system and potential wave....

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Quite a change from the last run, but as with the last few runs though, this run doesn't completely crush the SE ridge, but it's far south enough to allow the northern Mid Atlantic to get into the colder temperatures as well as the Northeast. It's just one run at this time, and considering that it's the long range GFS, I'd rather have support from the ECM and another 1-2 days of GFS runs before going along with such a scenario.

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No its not believable because the guidance (ensembles) show that winter is not happening..of course that thought is only in the mind of weenies who were spoiled like a rotten egg by the early october snowstorm and expected because it happened early that this meant that ALL this time (FALL) we were going to be cold and snowy...unfortunately reality says it does not work like that and that was just a BONUS snow!

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Quite a change from the last run, but as with the last few runs though, this run doesn't completely crush the SE ridge, but it's far south enough to allow the northern Mid Atlantic to get into the colder temperatures as well as the Northeast. It's just one run at this time, and considering that it's the long range GFS, I'd rather have support from the ECM and another 1-2 days of GFS runs before going along with such a scenario.

It crushes the SE ridge in the extended for a couple days.

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Not really. The SE ridge is still there, just slightly displaced and elongated to the east of where it normally is. The PV does not crush it at all

The GFS as well as the ECM runs show that the troughs moving into the region weaken the SE ridge and push it southeast, but the ridge never completely falls apart. As you said, it's there but not as far north/west as it's been before. Definitely an improvement over the 12z GFS though when heights reached 576 dm...

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