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December 2011 General Disc/Obs


Ellinwood

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Weve been there before with the euro. I mean I'm not adamantly writing it off like past storms but let's not read things that are not there.

just stating that the Euro and its ensembles are in agreement with an amplified solution, while the GFS and its ensembles are in agreement with a flat solution. not sure what you see that's not there?

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just stating that the Euro and its ensembles are in agreement with an amplified solution, while the GFS and its ensembles are in agreement with a flat solution. not sure what you see that's not there?

im just saying i dont think it's that meaningful that the euro ens is not flat.

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im just saying i dont think it's that meaningful that the euro ens is not flat.

fair enough. I think it is important, at least in the argument of amplified vs. flat in the day 6 to 8 period. the fact that we're in the sweet spot on the last two runs of the Euro is not important...i think we both can imagine a number of ways that an amplified solution can go wrong.

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fair enough. I think it is important, at least in the argument of amplified vs. flat in the day 6 to 8 period. the fact that we're in the sweet spot on the last two runs of the Euro is not important...i think we both can imagine a number of ways that an amplified solution can go wrong.

i suppose. it just seems in other instances of the op being overamplified the ens was as well.

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i suppose. it just seems in other instances of the op being overamplified the ens was as well.

the Euro has had a monster trough in the east now since the 12/24 12Z run's Day 10

if consistency means anything, idk, sometimes "yes" and sometimes "no", but ya' never know if this time it's a "yes" until after the event :axe:

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the Euro has had a monster trough in the east now since the 12/24 12Z run's Day 10

if consistency means anything, idk, sometimes "yes" and sometimes "no", but ya' never know if this time it's a "yes" until after the event :axe:

i dont think it's cut and dry that it wont happen (though it seems unlikely it would happen as 12z shows)... but in a convoluted scenario it's hard to imagine the best case scenario. plus i dont think it's a lie to say the euro has not had its best times over the last 2 cold seasons even if it still spanks most of the other models overall.

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i suppose. it just seems in other instances of the op being overamplified the ens was as well.

there are instances where that has been true, but that's expected because the ensemble can be biased to the ops (e.g., sometimes it is difficult for them to have radically different solutions), especially if the reason for a poor forecast is related to something in the initial conditions/model physics.

however, in this case, the Euro has been steady in showing amplification for several runs now, but the same could be said for the GFS who has had consistent flat solutions in both the ops and ens.

large scale pattern changes are typically poorly forecasted....maybe reality lies somewhere in between the two. I just like having something to look at again, i was getting a bit bored at work, being productive and all, during this terrible pattern.

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i dont think it's cut and dry that it wont happen (though it seems unlikely it would happen as 12z shows)... but in a convoluted scenario it's hard to imagine the best case scenario. plus i dont think it's a lie to say the euro has not had its best times over the last 2 cold seasons even if it still spanks most of the other models overall.

that's the problem...even if it has more skill than the GFS overall, it skill lacks a lot of skill at day 7-8....It is very possible that it is more right than the GFS with the amplitude of the ridge, yet we still get no storm or an OTS solution....I am less worried about day 7-8 when day 4-5 are so different....the 500mb patterns are widely divergent by 100-120 hours.....I assume we will see the models come to some agreement on that within the next 48 hours....It isn't like the GFS is just missing a phase or something...it isn't even remotely close to having a storm...

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Very windy here. Was out earlier getting the dog's nails trimmed, and really experienced some strong winds. The place I take him is slightly elevated and very flat. I was fooling with him and his leash, and it knocked me off balance. Very strong. I'd have to guess around 50, but that's just a guess. The local obs don't match up with that, but it was very strong. Unfortunately, my neighbor has had a very large tree fall on their home. I've seen them out looking at the damage. It hit their deck first, broke the tree, and now the large part is on the decking at an angle with large pieces on their roof. Looks like the tree is about 18 inch diameter. I plan to go see if they need help after I give them some time to recover from the shock.

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