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December 2011 General Disc/Obs


Ellinwood

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Here are the gfs 500h patterns for 180 hours. Look how flat they look and then look at the euro and 12Z ggem. The differences evoke a big wow.

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The euro ensembles briefly flatten it out before rebuilding it again. I think the +PNA shown has a good chance of happening, but where low pressure forms is anyone's guess.

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It's also 18 hours slower compared to the 00z run... and the low track is quite odd (for lack of a better term).

As matt mentioned, the evolution is odd. I also can't remember any storm with that look. I thought maybe January of 1988 as that occurred with a postive nao but that's the closest I can remember and it never close off a monster minus a lot sd 500 low over the southeast.

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You should probably read this thread where the pattern change is discussed at length by meteorologists.

I read it after i had posted, i was in a 4 hour meeting and i did not go back to read 4 pages with everyone getting all excited about the Euro run. So i was just saying what JB had just tweeted.

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Just got back to this thread. Well damn.

I'll have to add to the chorus of "too bad it's 7.5 days away".

You know if this keeps showing up for the next 2 or 3 runs, we will not be sleeping for the next week

just to track a storm that will either be rain or give us an inch at best.

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Just got back to this thread. Well damn.

I'll have to add to the chorus of "too bad it's 7.5 days away".

Which is exactly how far it was away 12 hours ago. I guess the main thing is the cold it's showing. Have to start somewhere. Today would have been at the least a "wintry" scenario had there been any cold air.

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I'll post the 192hr panel when I get home with the 996mb low 75 miles east of ocean city. We need something to dream about. Hopefully the euro pulls the plug early. This could be extremely painful

That's all we can hope for. Since this will crash and burn, no point in getting people emotionally invested. I hope it's gone by 0z and we can move on and continue to b**ch about 40's and rain.

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although it is hard to imagine this coming to fruition as depicted today, the fact is we have seen a lot of closed lows this fall/winter (as many in addition to myself) have commented and we all said "if only we had cold air"

the Euro delivers on the cold air via a mega PNA ridge

assuming the PNA ridge delivers as the Euro shows, why should we be that surprised with the big, azz snow storm it's showing?

it ain't like it's been dry as a bone around here this winter

all 3 local airports are 1"+ AN with DEC precip

hence, I'm optimistic of something decent next week

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although it is hard to imagine this coming to fruition as depicted today, the fact is we have seen a lot of closed lows this fall/winter (as many in addition to myself) have commented and we all said "if only we had cold air"

the Euro delivers on the cold air via a mega PNA ridge

assuming the PNA ridge delivers as the Euro shows, why should we be that surprised with the big, azz snow storm it's showing?

it ain't like it's been dry as a bone around here this winter

all 3 local airports are 1"+ AN with DEC precip

hence, I'm optimistic of something decent next week

It's good that you're optimistic and it's balanced out with plenty of realism here.

Look, let's not kid ourselves, 99% of us are excited re: the Euro and hope it verifies...no point in trying to deny it with "calm down, it's day 7.5" talk. I mean, that is a matter of fact...it's 7.5 days away...but it won't stop one of us from checking the GFS and Euro with the expectation that the storm will be there. All I'm saying is that if it crashes and burns, let's get it over with tonight at 0z.

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Just got back to this thread. Well damn.

I'll have to add to the chorus of "too bad it's 7.5 days away".

its been stuck in the 7-8 days now for 2 days. We need to get in the 3-4 day range. and GFS of course as always says what storm? GFS and EURO never agree on anything past 7 days

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144? That's giving the models a lot of credit.

Not really..that's my "realistic" frame for major features. There's usually something to it if its there on every model at 144....not saying its a solution we'll like in the end..but the signal for a storm or significant feature becomes a bit more realistic than 192 hours out.

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