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December 2011 General Disc/Obs


Ellinwood

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I don't know whether it will snow or not though I think it unlikely. If someone is going to post a 180 hr GEM. I think it worth posting the ensemble for the same period.

To be clear sir I posted that in response to that gentleman's statement about the GEM...not because I believed it....carry on now....thanks

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To be clear sir I posted that in response to that gentleman's statement about the GEM...not because I believed it....carry on now....thanks

I wasn't criticizing you, I was defending me and why I posted. I think posting the GGEM was a legitimate thing to do on a wx forum but also think posting the ensembles were too. I probably need to tone down my number of posts and remember that most would rather talk about chances then hear negative thoughts.

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I wasn't criticizing you, I was defending me and why I posted. I think posting the GGEM was a legitimate thing to do on a wx forum but also think posting the ensembles were too. I probably need to tone down my number of posts and remember that most would rather talk about chances then hear negative thoughts.

Because of you, the bus is taking on rust.

In all seriousness...it's fine to be a realist. I guess it (not you)starts wearing on people....the abject failure December has become.

If we can't have snow, I'm going to troll you Wes.

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Wes, I think everyone values your opinion greatly and are pleased that you're in our subforum. I know I do. Keep up the good work.

FWIW...DT's on the big eastern trough train for the 3rd and thinks coldest air yet for the winter for the eastern CONUS from the 3rd-8th. Doesn't buy snow for the 95 corridor though.

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I took a couple of days off from my normal routine and didn't look at the lastest euro and gfs until now. Heh, pretty far apart. The nhem 500 anom @ 240 on the euro is the prettiest map I've seen in a long time but it's hard to buy it. It goes against everything weve seen for the last 6 weeks. The euro has been showing alot of "better" looks for quite a few runs now. I just wish it wasn't so lonely.

I like the spike in the PNA. Both the euro and gfs agree on a pretty nice spike in the pna during the 12/31-1/4 timeframe. HPC likes it too. Got my fingers crossed for something interesting because I have a hunch we go back to the crapper by the end of next week.

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Because of you, the bus is taking on rust.

In all seriousness...it's fine to be a realist. I guess it (not you)starts wearing on people....the abject failure December has become.

If we can't have snow, I'm going to troll you Wes.

December usually sucks anyway

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I wasn't criticizing you, I was defending me and why I posted. I think posting the GGEM was a legitimate thing to do on a wx forum but also think posting the ensembles were too. I probably need to tone down my number of posts and remember that most would rather talk about chances then hear negative thoughts.

I think the realism that you bring helps all of us. We know that you don't create the weather. I, for one, would like to hear someone give an honest evaluation of the Euro's performance lately. If someone tells me that it has verified the best, then that tells me that the others are pretty much junk because it hasn't been too good, IMO.

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I wasn't criticizing you, I was defending me and why I posted. I think posting the GGEM was a legitimate thing to do on a wx forum but also think posting the ensembles were too. I probably need to tone down my number of posts and remember that most would rather talk about chances then hear negative thoughts.

Don't pay any attention to me Wes....just stating why I posted it...your thoughts are fine to me...I can't control the weather...so it is what it is.

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FWIW...DT's on the big eastern trough train for the 3rd and thinks coldest air yet for the winter for the eastern CONUS from the 3rd-8th. Doesn't buy snow for the 95 corridor though.

Given the DEC temps, and the need for about a dozen features to fall into place for snow in this pattern, that doesn't seem like too risky a bet...

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I agree with wes on the AO. History argues against a quick fix. I was kinda bummed to see the ens ao forecasts being low again. The forcasts starting being too high for a bit centered around the 16th or so but they are clearly too low again.

We could end up with a record +AO monthly for this december. Its most recent spike is almost +4. We started off Dec in the +4 range. The highest AO dec reading (and the only one above +2) was 2.282 in 06.

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