Better enjoy winter now...

[Tropical]

Milwaukee's climate has been getting wetter over last 60 years

Milwaukee's climate has been getting wetter over the last 60 years. Future generations here might be telling each other that the city is getting even more rain than today, with more intense storms, said Steve Vavrus, a senior scientist with the Nelson Institute Center for Climatic Research at the University of Wisconsin-Madison.

And more precipitation in winter months will be falling as rain, reducing the length of Milwaukee's snow season to about 30 days, Vavrus said.

A white Christmas could be the stuff of dreams.

http://www.jsonline....-134519658.html

http://www.wicci.wisc.edu/report/WICCI-Chapter-1.pdf

[Tropical]

This is a good video.

[toronto blizzard]

Wow you really are a warminista geez

[Tropical]

Wow you really are a warminista geez

I've been doing heavy research into this lately and it's real. When I was a kid in the 1980s, we had many days that struggled to reach 0 and many nights colder than -20. Now it's very RARE to drop below 0 in the winter. The warmer climate might also be the reason in the recent trend toward lots of snow in the winter with the stormier pattern, however, it will be short lived because as we continue to warm, the precipitation tendencies will lead toward more rain with the storms.

I've also noticed much earlier last freezes and much later first freezes each year. This is very interesting to watch unfold.

[toronto blizzard]

I've been doing heavy research into this lately and it's real. When I was a kid in the 1980s, we had many days that struggled to reach 0 and many nights colder than -20. Now it's very RARE to drop below 0 in the winter. The warmer climate might also be the reason in the recent trend toward lots of snow in the winter with the stormier pattern, however, it will be short lived because as we continue to warm, the precipitation tendencies will lead toward more rain with the storms.

I've also noticed much earlier last freezes and much later first freezes each year. This is very interesting to watch unfold.

I don't believe in AGW. The climate was much much warmer many thousand years ago and there wasn't much snow back then either. I was only born in 1994 so my parents tell me in the 70s and 80s there was alot of snow but back in the 40s and 50s there wasn't much. I believe it's all natural cycles.

[BeastFromTheEast]

Wrong forum for this troll..

Here you go..

http://www.americanw...climate-change/

Enjoy

[BowMeHunter]

I've been doing heavy research into this lately and it's real. When I was a kid in the 1980s, we had many days that struggled to reach 0 and many nights colder than -20. Now it's very RARE to drop below 0 in the winter. The warmer climate might also be the reason in the recent trend toward lots of snow in the winter with the stormier pattern, however, it will be short lived because as we continue to warm, the precipitation tendencies will lead toward more rain with the storms.

I've also noticed much earlier last freezes and much later first freezes each year. This is very interesting to watch unfold.

You're just as nuts as sizzleousz21... only thing that is short lived is your life. I wouldn't be wasting any of your short time on earth doing "heavy research" to see if you might be able to use box fans in your windows 11 months of the yr.

[wisconsinwx]

Milwaukee's climate has been getting wetter over last 60 years

Milwaukee's climate has been getting wetter over the last 60 years. Future generations here might be telling each other that the city is getting even more rain than today, with more intense storms, said Steve Vavrus, a senior scientist with the Nelson Institute Center for Climatic Research at the University of Wisconsin-Madison.

And more precipitation in winter months will be falling as rain, reducing the length of Milwaukee's snow season to about 30 days, Vavrus said.

A white Christmas could be the stuff of dreams.

http://www.jsonline....-134519658.html

http://www.wicci.wis...I-Chapter-1.pdf

If you think your article upsets people, it does not. In fact, a wetter climate means more convection and potential severe weather in the summer. I'll take the trade off of a few inches less snow for more rain and convection.

Edit: that's if the 4-9 degree temperature rise even occurs. I don't believe in AGW either, and we have seen some cold winters in the last 5. 2008-09 is an example.

[Baum]

BigJoeBastardi Joe Bastardi day 10 n jet aimed at southern branch.major trough, big storm with very cold air Dec6-10 miss valley to n appalachians pic.twitter.com/y5umpGin

not happening soon enough.I suspect.

[Tropical]

Wrong forum for this troll..

Here you go..

http://www.americanw...climate-change/

Enjoy

It's directly about Wisconsin / Lakes area so I posted it in the correlating subforum.

If you think your article upsets people, it does not. In fact, a wetter climate means more convection and potential severe weather in the summer. I'll take the trade off of a few inches less snow for more rain and convection.

Edit: that's if the 4-9 degree temperature rise even occurs. I don't believe in AGW either, and we have seen some cold winters in the last 5. 2008-09 is an example.

I would love more severe weather, so I'm excited for this too. Severe is much more fun than snow in my book. And, yes, 2008-2009 was cold, but the duration and quantity of days below 0 was still far diminished from cold winters past. The article indicates the cold extremes are relaxing. Watch the video, it shows detailed maps of what has been happening.

[wisconsinwx]

It's directly about Wisconsin / Lakes area so I posted it in the correlating subforum.

I would love more severe weather, so I'm excited for this too. Severe is much more fun than snow in my book. And, yes, 2008-2009 was cold, but the duration and quantity of days below 0 was still far diminished from cold winters past. The article indicates the cold extremes are relaxing. Watch the video, it shows detailed maps of what has been happening.

So how come you're just looking at one statistic like days below zero? That doesn't tell the whole story. If a cold winter has less days below zero, that also usually means it has more days below freezing to balance it out and still allow the cold. I'm assuming you believe in AGW? Or do you just believe the Earth is in a natural warming stage that will not end in the near future?

[Chicago Storm]

You're just as nuts as sizzleousz21... only thing that is short lived is your life. I wouldn't be wasting any of your short time on earth doing "heavy research" to see if you might be able to use box fans in your windows 11 months of the yr.

fizzle21 is worse.

[Tropical]

So how come you're just looking at one statistic like days below zero? That doesn't tell the whole story. If a cold winter has less days below zero, that also usually means it has more days below freezing to balance it out and still allow the cold. I'm assuming you believe in AGW? Or do you just believe the Earth is in a natural warming stage that will not end in the near future?

I don't necessarily believe this is AGW driven -- maybe more of a natural cycle. Hard to tell though. I do know, however, that Earth is in one of its coldest periods in history and we have been much, much warmer in the past. I think a rise in temperature is imminent even if not AGW driven. And if past history plays out, the rise could be much quicker than ever forecasted. See below:

[Jonger]

Milwaukee's climate has been getting wetter over last 60 years

Milwaukee's climate has been getting wetter over the last 60 years. Future generations here might be telling each other that the city is getting even more rain than today, with more intense storms, said Steve Vavrus, a senior scientist with the Nelson Institute Center for Climatic Research at the University of Wisconsin-Madison.

And more precipitation in winter months will be falling as rain, reducing the length of Milwaukee's snow season to about 30 days, Vavrus said.

A white Christmas could be the stuff of dreams.

http://www.jsonline....-134519658.html

http://www.wicci.wis...I-Chapter-1.pdf

Pure garbage.

[Stevo6899]

why hasn't this thread been deleted?

[Jonger]

Living in SE Michigan we used to never get snow without a bare lawn preceding the storm. Meaning that our climate never supported long enough durations of cold to build snowpack. This continued until approximately 1999 when we have consistently had snowpack being built for sometimes multiple months between thaws. From 1980 to 2000 I had never had a local snow depth surpass 10 inches at anyone time. Since 2000 I have had 15+ inch depths recorded at least 5 winters with one particular winter reaching 20+ inches with about 5 significant snow events comprising the depth.

Winters in the midwest have been getting snowier.

My average snow is roughly 49 inches per season. I have cracked 50+ all but 2 years in since 1999 with one winter exceeding 80 inches.

[daddylonglegs]

Tropical=Saukville=Cromartie=PalmGuy69

Good post. I think winter will be record breaking cold and snowy.

[Tropical]

Living in SE Michigan we used to never get snow without a bare lawn preceding the storm. Meaning that our climate never supported long enough durations of cold to build snowpack. This continued until approximately 1999 when we have consistently had snowpack being built for sometimes multiple months between thaws. From 1980 to 2000 I had never had a local snow depth surpass 10 inches at anyone time. Since 2000 I have had 15+ inch depths recorded at least 5 winters with one particular winter reaching 20+ inches with about 5 significant snow events comprising the depth.

Winters in the midwest have been getting snowier.

My average snow is roughly 49 inches per season. I have cracked 50+ all but 2 years in since 1999 with one winter exceeding 80 inches.

Wow, you didn't read anything posted. I said, yes for a time winters will be snowier as the slightly warmer evolution supports a wetter solution, but as things continue to warm we will warm out of the threshold for snow and rain will become more common.

And by calling it pure garbage, you must think statistics are garbage, because all the maps in the video are drawn off cold, hard data.

[Chicago WX]

A+. Really one of your best to date, and that's going back to Eastern. Kudos.

Also, there's a forum for Climate Change topics. Friv would love to chat with you about it.

[andyhb]

Wow, you didn't read anything posted. I said, yes for a time winters will be snowier as the slightly warmer evolution supports a wetter solution, but as things continue to warm we will warm out of the threshold for snow and rain will become more common.

And by calling it pure garbage, you must think statistics are garbage, because all the maps in the video are drawn off cold, hard data.

[mnweather]

lol, classic thread

[BowMeHunter]

Wow, you didn't read anything posted. I said, yes for a time winters will be snowier as the slightly warmer evolution supports a wetter solution, but as things continue to warm we will warm out of the threshold for snow and rain will become more common.

And by calling it pure garbage, you must think statistics are garbage, because all the maps in the video are drawn off cold, hard data.

You'll have mold growing on you 6' under before rain is more common than snow in winter on top of mt suckville.

[wisconsinwx]

You'll have mold growing on you 6' under before rain is more common than snow in winter on top of mt suckville.

[Hoosier]

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that MKE snow seasons of 30 days won't happen in any of our lifetimes.

[The_Global_Warmer]

You're just as nuts as sizzleousz21... only thing that is short lived is your life. I wouldn't be wasting any of your short time on earth doing "heavy research" to see if you might be able to use box fans in your windows 11 months of the yr.

What makes me crazy? My well researched arguements? Quick ability to self educate? Funny how so many people come to these forums because they love snow like crack But do so little actualy learning about science and the science of AGW. The wish casting about AGW is as bad as Wish casting about snow

[The_Global_Warmer]

This thread is loaded with embarrassing posts from those who prescribe to the church of snow.

Comment after comment with absolutely no factual backup.

Insult after insult to back up those comments.

How many things on Earth derive irrational emotional responses that are driven by technical observation, instrumental observation, data study and so on.

I hope the forums are around in ten and twenty years so you guys can come up with even more absurd excuses as the mid latitudes continue to warm.

[michsnowfreak]

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that MKE snow seasons of 30 days won't happen in any of our lifetimes.

When did amwx add a comedy section? LOL there is no way in hell that will be happening, probably, ever. That laughable article had no more fact in it than ones i can pull up that equally show global cooling stats. And length of snow season? Since when has there been an average anyway. The first flake to last flake snow seasons in this region last 5-7 months time, they always have, and they always will. Some seasons are snowier than others obviously. Some longer seasons have less total snowfall than shorter season, because all a "snow season" is is the date of the first flakes to the date of the last flakes. Back in the 1990s I read a AGW story on how Great Lakes winters were getting milder and less snowy and would be like Kentucky by 2030. Since the 2000s winters WERE COLDER AND MUCH SNOWIER than the 1990s winters, now I see that heavy snowfall is a product of the transition to a warmer, less snowy climate . Basically I can look at stats in Detroit (which would be similar to, albeit slightly less snowy than Milwakee) from the day records began 140 years ago to now, and analyzing every possible stat of snowfall there is, be it snowfall, snow depth, snow season length, days with snow, etc, and there is ZERO evidence that snowfall is lessening, the only evidence points to snowfall increasing.

[michsnowfreak]

This thread is loaded with embarrassing posts from those who prescribe to the church of snow.

Comment after comment with absolutely no factual backup.

Insult after insult to back up those comments.

How many things on Earth derive irrational emotional responses that are driven by technical observation, instrumental observation, data study and so on.

I hope the forums are around in ten and twenty years so you guys can come up with even more absurd excuses as the mid latitudes continue to warm.

I too hope these forums are around in 10-20 years. I cannot WAIT to see how the continued snowier climate is explained by the AGW crowd. A summary of what Ive seen so far from the AGW crowd: circa late 1990s, AGW mania at the highest its ever been, we are told winters are becoming much warmer and less snowy in the midwest, by 2030 winters in MI would be like 1990s winters in KY, will never forget that line I read in a AGW story....fastforward to mid-2000s, a few snowy winters, AGW biting nails but say that just because warmer/less snowy winters are on the way doesnt mean there wont be the occasional snowy or cold winter every once in a while.....fastforward to 2010, tons of snow records being buried across the midwest/northeast, so now we realize AHA! its AGW that is causing the snowier winters because of the increased moisture in the air, but dont you worry those warm, less snowy winters are on the way, its just now we are looking closer to 2100 than, say, 2050.

[BeastFromTheEast]

What makes me crazy? My well researched arguements? Quick ability to self educate? Funny how so many people come to these forums because they love snow like crack But do so little actualy learning about science and the science of AGW. The wish casting about AGW is as bad as Wish casting about snow

Ohh yeah, all the future mets and people who have years of weather knowledge/exeperience on this board and even in THIS thread are soooo soooo "anti science"

[skierinvermont]

A lot of the time when these "regional climate projections" are done they have a tendency to select out the more extreme scenarios. Also by 'midcentury' I think they actually mean 2070 which isn't really midcentury.

By the 2050s the globe will probably have warmed almost 1C so Wisconsin winters will probably have warmed by around 1.25-2C. 2-4F. Not 4-9.

And 2-4F of warming would probably shorten winter by what 1.5 weeks on each end on average? Not even close to a 30 day winter. More like 100 or something.