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Ive fallen for this line before...EURO shows storm..GFS dosent and in the end..the GFS and all the other models obliterate the Euro. If the EURO had other support, i might have some hope but this is discouraging to say the least. The euro members dont even agree with their operational

They have the storm, just east of the operational which is always expected. I'm sure if the operational had a storm riding west of the apps but the ensembles showed it coming up the coast, you would be humping them. Anyway, expect Stebo to be in here shortly telling us it will be a lakes cutter so why worry?

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Ive fallen for this line before...EURO shows storm..GFS dosent and in the end..the GFS and all the other models obliterate the Euro. If the EURO had other support, i might have some hope but this is discouraging to say the least. The euro members dont even agree with their operational

and this has happened when?

oh yeah thats right last week when you asserted in expert opinion of mindless weenie and mongerer extraordinare

that YOU were going to see snow today and the euro was out to lunch and way too west

dude isnt it time for you to cancel winter ?

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No offense, guys, but DT isn't this do-no-wrong met....

sure' but come on

do you reallty think Ji's asserrtion that the GFS oblierates the European every time is really valid?

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Ive fallen for this line before...EURO shows storm..GFS dosent and in the end..the GFS and all the other models obliterate the Euro. If the EURO had other support, i might have some hope but this is discouraging to say the least. The euro members dont even agree with their operational

How's our snowstorm going today?

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and this has happened when?

oh yeah thats right last week when you asserted in expert opinion of mindless weenie and mongerer extraordinare

that YOU were going to see snow today and the euro was out to lunch and way too west

dude isnt it time for you to cancel winter ?

GFS is sill an inferior model with winter storms especially for the east coast.The Euro kicked ass on this current storm., when no other models had the storm up in Michigan.The GFS had the storm off Long Island..96,00,03..GFS had nothing 6 days out..there should never be an argument

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GFS is sill an inferior model with winter storms especially for the east coast.The Euro kicked ass on this current storm., when no other models had the storm up in Michigan.The GFS had the storm off Long Island..96,00,03..GFS had nothing 6 days out..there should never be an argument

Yeah the GFS ONLY missed by around 900 miles.

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well i dont really know Ji that well at all, but i do like DT's discussions.... but come on guys... need to relax still a week away :):bike:

Totally agree with you. I'm glad DT is here. As i said, i'll take his analysis over Ji or some guy from Philly any day of the week. And as far as the next week, it's only a threat and that's how we should look at it. Anyone who says we are definitely getting a storm or definitely not getting a storm is just pissing in the wind.

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It's funny how when a met makes a post, and in this case, a thread about a potential pattern, some people take it to mean that the met is saying there will be a storm. No one needs me to defend him, especially a schmuck like me, but a week out, DT has always preached patterns and not specifics. No met would talk specifics this far out.

Just saying.

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Totally agree with you. I'm glad DT is here. As i said, i'll take his analysis over Ji or some guy from Philly any day of the week. And as far as the next week, it's only a threat and that's how we should look at it. Anyone who says we are definitely getting a storm or definitely not getting a storm is just pissing in the wind.

very well said. got too many people hanging on every run, it will make ya crazy toi hang on every run. alots gonna change lol need to relax :)
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What I can't believe is that people (sorry, a person) who aren't (isn't) METS, would try to PUBLICLY question their opinions and evaluations. This isn't a discussion about who's more likely to win in Monday night football, where the knowledge level is about equal and one person's opinion is about as valuable as anyone else's. Lesson here.....it's probably best to NOT argue/question the evaluation of weather by a weather professional when you're just a "weekend warrior" of weather.

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What I can't believe is that people (sorry, a person) who aren't (isn't) METS, would try to PUBLICLY question their opinions and evaluations.  This isn't a discussion about who's more likely to win in Monday night football, where the knowledge level is about equal and one person's opinion is about as valuable as anyone else's.  Lesson here.....it's probably best to NOT argue/question the evaluation of weather of a weather professional when you're just a "weekend warrior" of weather.

Just my 2 cents, but I think we should concentrate more on the possible scenarios rather than the person making the forecast.  Im much more fascinated by the science than the various personas of the people who make forecasts.

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This is different guys. Both models had a storm last week. This week..only one model does so it's an outlier. I don't do outliers. I need to see more model support.

last week it was 2 weeks out, now its 1 week out, too soon to really see which ones an outlier. i mean were out to hr 192 for gods sake. need more time to figure out which is outlier
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Just my 2 cents, but I think we should concentrate more on the possible scenarios rather than the person making the forecast. Im much more fascinated by the science than the various personas of the people who make forecasts.

I agree with you, but at the same time, when you have several Mets interested/upbeat about potential as close as one week away, people are going to hang on what they say. That's fine. Nothing may come of it. But if DT, Wes, ORH, Analog, Ender, etc. come in here and post their "professional" opinion, I'll be darned if I'm going to disagree with them. If my opinion is different from theirs, there's about a 99.9% chance that I'm wrong. In that case, I just shut up and listen. Plenty of people here value their opinion, and I'll bet it gets under their skin just a little when those they're trying to help by posting here start questioning them just because the weather isn't working out the way they want it to.

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I agree with you, but at the same time, when you have several Mets interested/upbeat about potential as close as one week away, people are going to hang on what they say. That's fine. Nothing may come of it. But if DT, Wes, ORH, Analog, Ender, etc. come in here and post their "professional" opinion, I'll be darned if I'm going to disagree with them. If my opinion is different from theirs, there's about a 99.9% chance that I'm wrong. In that case, I just shut up and listen. Plenty of people here value their opinion, and I'll bet it gets under their skin just a little when those they're trying to help by posting here start questioning them just because the weather isn't working out the way they want it to.

wow, very nicely said
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from NCEP...FWIW....

00Z/12 ENSEMBLE 500MB SPAGHETTI PLOTS HIGHLIGHTED AN AREA OF

POSSIBLE CYCLOGENESIS OFF THE SE COAST OF THE CONUS LATER SAT 6

AND BEYOND. IT WAS MOSTLY ECMWF ENSEMBLE MEMBERS THAT WERE

SUPPORTING CYCLOGENESIS OFF THE SE COAST NEXT SAT OR SUN. THE

06Z/12 GFS RUN SEEMED TO BE PICKING UP ON THIS POSSIBILITY FOR

NEXT SAT/SUN....BUT THE NEW GFS RUN HAS GONE BACK FLAT. RECENT

RUNS OF THE ECMWF HAD EARLIER SHOWN A CHANCE FOR CYCLOGENESIS NEXT

WEEKEND OF THE SE COAST BUT THE MOST RECENT RUN HAD BACKED OFF

FROM IT. NOW THE 12Z/12 RUN OF THE ECMWF IS BACK ON

BOARD...DEVELOPING A MAJOR SNOWSTORM NEXT WEEKEND FROM INTERIOR NC

TO NEW ENG. IF CORRECT...IT COULD LAY DOWN A HEAVY BLANKET OF SNOW

IN THE SAME AREAS AS THE BIG SYS LAST YEAR...ALMOST TO THE DATE! A

WHITE CHRISTMAS FOR THAT AREA 6 DAYS LATER WOULD BE HIGHLY FAVORED

IN THE PERSISTENT COLD PATTERN

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Couldn't one argue it is less of a thread the needle deal because the upper level setup overall is in decent shape, with the blocking, 50/50 low, etc? Some other factors may need to come into play, but at least the foundation is there, or at least better than it has been up until now.

I don't think so as the evolution of the northern stream is critical and looks like needs to split the original vortex to get where the euro takes it. We don't have the worry that the low will go way west which I guess is a plus but right now, most are banking on one model that has shifted between having a storm, the storm too far east like the ensembles now have and a storm again. Sure the system is worth watching but that doesn't mean it's not a thread the needle situation. For us, that's typical anyway except in cases like the feb even last year and the pattern in December.

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