ag3 Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 Anyone have a snow map from 93-94? NYC had 58", ABE had 75". I would think Bronx had over 60" and SWCT close to 65". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pamela Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 Anyone have a snow map from 93-94? NYC had 58", ABE had 75". I would think Bronx had over 60" and SWCT close to 65". I've asked NorthShore to draw one...but he has correctly explained that it is a far more difficult task with the absence of internet PNS's available from that time.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
green tube Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 Yeah just checked ACY's records and they have 7.8" for 93-94. If so, that's one helluva gradient up the NJ coast. 40" fell in Trenton and New Brunswick. epic amount of ice that year. repeated events of freezing rain with temps in high teens and low 20s.... absolutely infuriating. still managed 48" (i believe) in new brunswick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pamela Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 BTW, my "colder than 'em all" comment about January 2004....was not meant as some type of inclusive statement....just recent times....January 1982 and January 1977 were obviously colder.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowGoose69 Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 I think part of the reason ABE had a lot more too was that there was a big interior snowstorm on Mar 3, 1994. As well as on 1/17 I think. NYC changed to rain and Scranton was pounded that evening, maybe 18 inches or so, not sure if ABE did as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 Danbury CT got 70" in '93-'94...EWR 64.5", LGA 58.5", JFK 45.7" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pamela Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 Anyone have a snow map from 93-94? NYC had 58", ABE had 75". I would think Bronx had over 60" and SWCT close to 65". The airport at White Plains would have been useful....they still measured snow back then...but they recorded a total in the 40's....albeit amidst tons of missing data.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pamela Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 Danbury CT got 70" in '93-'94...EWR 64.5", LGA 58.5", JFK 45.7" Will, would you please re-post that link to the site with all that good climate date for the NE....I lost it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 The airport at White Plains would have been useful....they still measured snow back then...but they recorded a total in the 40's....albeit amidst tons of missing data.... Dobbs Ferry had 53.9" at their coop...might be a shade low, but I think the gradient relaxed a bit north of NYC before getting sharp again in southern New England. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 Will, would you please re-post that link to the site with all that good climate date for the NE....I lost it... http://www.wrcc.dri.edu/sod/arch/index.html They get their data from NCDC I believe, so any stations that might be contaminated in NCDC are going to have problems...but its definitely a great site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle W Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 southwest Brooklyn got 48" of snow and ice in 1993-94...48.4" where I lived on 64th ST and 12th AVE and 48.1" on Ave V and West 9th St... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pamela Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 http://www.wrcc.dri....arch/index.html They get their data from NCDC I believe, so any stations that might be contaminated in NCDC are going to have problems...but its definitely a great site. Thanks...unfortunately the link failed...though it is not your fault as my computer has been having problems for weeks...I take it is from the Western Climate Center...maybe I can find it from there... Edit: Got it to work...and yep...the one I was thinking of...much obliged! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 Good read from DT http://www.wxrisk.com/2011/11/has-the-worm-turned/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KEITH L.I Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 ummm 174hr GFS?..that's rain over to snow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 180 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KEITH L.I Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 180 reminds me of Dec 11th 1993 at bit..board must be sleeping Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowGoose69 Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 Again, that setup is a one in 10 chance, thats the classic Northern New England surface low/negative tilted elongated trough combo that I always mention is a tricky setup for this region and has produced several surprise snow falls in the past. 12/11/93 and 12/14/10 are two recent examples. They key to know if they are for real is usually to look at the 700mb RH, if you see high levels you know the event has potential, on this GFS run its quite dry at 700mb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pamela Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 reminds me of Dec 11th 1993 at bit..board must be sleeping Looks like a cold frontal passage and no big deal...but what do I know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 0z GFS has transient shots of colder air. It looks like a -PNA develops at the end of the run. . Lets see what the ensembles show. Again, that setup is a one in 10 chance, thats the classic Northern New England surface low/negative tilted elongated trough combo that I always mention is a tricky setup for this region and has produced several surprise snow falls in the past. 12/11/93 and 12/14/10 are two recent examples. They key to know if they are for real is usually to look at the 700mb RH, if you see high levels you know the event has potential, on this GFS run its quite dry at 700mb. Yep, 700mb is really dry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowGoose69 Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 reminds me of Dec 11th 1993 at bit..board must be sleeping I'm shocked someone else remembered it, that event produced virtually nothing west of NYC and east of Islip but 2-6 inches fell in between. The models had correctly forecast it from 5-7 days out, then lost it around 60 hours out and most forecasts completely disregarded it, the only mention of snow that Saturday AM came from Ira Joe Fisher who said 1-3 inches seemed possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattinpa Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 0z GFS has transient shots of colder air. It looks like a -PNA develops at the end of the run. . Lets see what the ensembles show. Yep, 700mb is really dry Something to watch for a surprise snow I guess. This is one I'm not counting on as we'd need perfect timing. Last year had success that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUNNAWAYICEBERG Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 usually ur not gonna get much juice from a front with the system all the way up in ME...but there is a pretty potent shortwave that lags behind on the backside of the trough.. cud just be feedback issues lol...cuz its really dry at 700mb. though 500mb, i see good amount of energy digging. wtf do i know though, thankfully this is a banter thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KEITH L.I Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 I'm shocked someone else remembered it, that event produced virtually nothing west of NYC and east of Islip but 2-6 inches fell in between. The models had correctly forecast it from 5-7 days out, then lost it around 60 hours out and most forecasts completely disregarded it, the only mention of snow that Saturday AM came from Ira Joe Fisher who said 1-3 inches seemed possible. I remember it..it was a Saturday..rained all day and changed over about 4pm..those days it was very rare to have accumulating snow before Christmas..pattern went mild again after the storm..then the big pattern change happened around the 23rd..for the next 2 months it was ice and snow..winter of 93-84 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KEITH L.I Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 0z GFS has transient shots of colder air. It looks like a -PNA develops at the end of the run. . Lets see what the ensembles show. Yep, 700mb is really dry looks like at 348 on a weak block is trying to develop by the Davis straight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 Ruggie also thinks a - NAO will develop by mid December. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earthlight Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 I'll be the first to say the pattern stinks...but this really isn't half bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earthlight Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 Ruggie also thinks a - NAO will develop by mid December. Ah, yes, it is now clear we have the most credible meteorologists behind the -NAO idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 Ah, yes, it is now clear we have the most credible meteorologists behind the -NAO idea. Yep. It's coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris L Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 Ah, yes, it is now clear we have the most credible meteorologists behind the -NAO idea. :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 Ah, yes, it is now clear we have the most credible meteorologists behind the -NAO idea. I think there is a lot of evidence that the NAO will not go negative until at least January...I'm not counting a transient N ATL ridge that might technically make it negative for a few days. I cannot see any blocking up there for the next several weeks...but hopefully I'm wrong and it develops before Christmas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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