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NYC Banter and BS Thread Part IV


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Anyone have a snow map from 93-94?

NYC had 58", ABE had 75".

I would think Bronx had over 60" and SWCT close to 65".

I've asked NorthShore to draw one...but he has correctly explained that it is a far more difficult task with the absence of internet PNS's available from that time....

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Yeah just checked ACY's records and they have 7.8" for 93-94. If so, that's one helluva gradient up the NJ coast. 40" fell in Trenton and New Brunswick.

epic amount of ice that year. repeated events of freezing rain with temps in high teens and low 20s.... absolutely infuriating. still managed 48" (i believe) in new brunswick.

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BTW, my "colder than 'em all" comment about January 2004....was not meant as some type of inclusive statement....just recent times....January 1982 and January 1977 were obviously colder....

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Anyone have a snow map from 93-94?

NYC had 58", ABE had 75".

I would think Bronx had over 60" and SWCT close to 65".

The airport at White Plains would have been useful....they still measured snow back then...but they recorded a total in the 40's....albeit amidst tons of missing data....

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Danbury CT got 70" in '93-'94...EWR 64.5", LGA 58.5", JFK 45.7"

Will, would you please re-post that link to the site with all that good climate date for the NE....I lost it...

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The airport at White Plains would have been useful....they still measured snow back then...but they recorded a total in the 40's....albeit amidst tons of missing data....

Dobbs Ferry had 53.9" at their coop...might be a shade low, but I think the gradient relaxed a bit north of NYC before getting sharp again in southern New England.

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http://www.wrcc.dri....arch/index.html

They get their data from NCDC I believe, so any stations that might be contaminated in NCDC are going to have problems...but its definitely a great site.

Thanks...unfortunately the link failed...though it is not your fault as my computer has been having problems for weeks...I take it is from the Western Climate Center...maybe I can find it from there...

Edit: Got it to work...and yep...the one I was thinking of...much obliged!

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Again, that setup is a one in 10 chance, thats the classic Northern New England surface low/negative tilted elongated trough combo that I always mention is a tricky setup for this region and has produced several surprise snow falls in the past. 12/11/93 and 12/14/10 are two recent examples. They key to know if they are for real is usually to look at the 700mb RH, if you see high levels you know the event has potential, on this GFS run its quite dry at 700mb.

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reminds me of Dec 11th 1993 at bit..board must be sleeping

Looks like a cold frontal passage and no big deal...but what do I know?

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0z GFS has transient shots of colder air. It looks like a -PNA develops at the end of the run.:thumbsdown: . Lets see what the ensembles show.

Again, that setup is a one in 10 chance, thats the classic Northern New England surface low/negative tilted elongated trough combo that I always mention is a tricky setup for this region and has produced several surprise snow falls in the past. 12/11/93 and 12/14/10 are two recent examples. They key to know if they are for real is usually to look at the 700mb RH, if you see high levels you know the event has potential, on this GFS run its quite dry at 700mb.

Yep, 700mb is really dry :thumbsdown:

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reminds me of Dec 11th 1993 at bit..board must be sleeping

I'm shocked someone else remembered it, that event produced virtually nothing west of NYC and east of Islip but 2-6 inches fell in between. The models had correctly forecast it from 5-7 days out, then lost it around 60 hours out and most forecasts completely disregarded it, the only mention of snow that Saturday AM came from Ira Joe Fisher who said 1-3 inches seemed possible.

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0z GFS has transient shots of colder air. It looks like a -PNA develops at the end of the run.:thumbsdown: . Lets see what the ensembles show.

Yep, 700mb is really dry :thumbsdown:

Something to watch for a surprise snow I guess. This is one I'm not counting on as we'd need perfect timing. Last year had success that way.

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usually ur not gonna get much juice from a front with the system all the way up in ME...but there is a pretty potent shortwave that lags behind on the backside of the trough..

cud just be feedback issues lol...cuz its really dry at 700mb. though 500mb, i see good amount of energy digging. wtf do i know though, thankfully this is a banter thread.

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I'm shocked someone else remembered it, that event produced virtually nothing west of NYC and east of Islip but 2-6 inches fell in between. The models had correctly forecast it from 5-7 days out, then lost it around 60 hours out and most forecasts completely disregarded it, the only mention of snow that Saturday AM came from Ira Joe Fisher who said 1-3 inches seemed possible.

I remember it..it was a Saturday..rained all day and changed over about 4pm..those days it was very rare to have accumulating snow before Christmas..pattern went mild again after the storm..then the big pattern change happened around the 23rd..for the next 2 months it was ice and snow..winter of 93-84

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Ah, yes, it is now clear we have the most credible meteorologists behind the -NAO idea.

I think there is a lot of evidence that the NAO will not go negative until at least January...I'm not counting a transient N ATL ridge that might technically make it negative for a few days.

I cannot see any blocking up there for the next several weeks...but hopefully I'm wrong and it develops before Christmas.

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