ag3 Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 1322623195[/url]' post='1153328']Does someone have the snowfall totals maps for 07-08? NYC had 11.9" and 5"-7" of that was sleet. A pathetic winter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 Here's a list of all SWFEs off the top of my head the last 4 winters: 12/3/07 12/13/07 12/16/07 12/30/07 1/13/08 2/13/08 2/22/08 2/26/08 12/19/08 1/7/09 1/10/09 1/28/09 2/18/09 12/9/09 1/18/11 2/2/11 2/25/11 You can see how you did in those...may have missed one or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ag3 Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 1322623352[/url]' post='1153338']Here's a list of all SWFEs off the top of my head the last 4 winters: 12/3/07 12/13/07 12/16/07 12/30/07 1/13/08 2/13/08 2/22/08 2/26/08 12/19/08 1/7/09 1/10/09 1/28/09 2/18/09 12/9/09 1/18/11 2/2/11 2/25/11 You can see how you did in those...may have missed on or two. You can take all of 2007 and 2008 and call it awful. Since there was almost no snow that winter. Those 3 in January 2009 all produced 1"-4" and the 2/25/11 produced 4" from NYC north and 1" anywhere south of NYC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BxEngine Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 NYC had 11.9" and 5"-7" of that was sleet. A pathetic winter. Yeah I kinda blocked out how crappy it was, lol....just curious how further north and west did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpha5 Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 Your area does decent in swfe events. The more north the better. Even being in Bayside,Queens is better then being at JFK or southern Queens. There was a storm in 2008-2009 where me and Sundog received 4" of snow while a few miles to our west, LGA and NYC received Zero. And that's why NYC recorded 28" while me and Sundog only a few miles east received 32"-33". Your part of CT probably had 38"-40" of snow for sure. 38-40 annually? 1994 had the 12th coldest week in NYC recorded weather history...here is a list of NYC's coldest weeks... ave temp...month/day/year... 02.5......12/29/1917-1/4/1918 08.8......2/8-14/1899 10.9......2/3-9/1895 12.2......1/6-12/1968 12.3......1/11-17/1893 12.6......12/28/1880-1/3/1881 12.7......2/12-18/1979 13.5......2/4-10/1934 13.5......1/22-28/1888 13.6......1/9-15/1886 13.6......1/10-16/1912 13.9......1/15-21/1994 14.1......2/1-7/1886 14.6......1/15-21/1935 14.6......1/23-29/1936 ...................... Some recent years... 15.5......1/20-26/1961 15.9......1/12-18/1977 16.1......1/13-19/1957 16.7......2/13-19/1958 17.0......1/18-24/2005 I wonder what temps were like during the little ice age, shame theres no records from the 1600's Does someone have the snowfall totals maps for 07-08? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 38-40 annually? No he meant in the '08-'09 winter. Nobody in SW CT averages 38-40" unless you are in the hills near Danbury or perhaps in the hills north of the Merritt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BxEngine Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 thanks. Are there any maps for the entire northeast for that winter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ag3 Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 Not annually Alpha. In 2008-2009. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle W Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 All that aside I'm still wondering if NYC will ever see a sub zero low ever again. they didn't have one from 1944 to 1962...19 years...It will be 19 years if we don't get one this year...1985 got one after a torch December... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 Ed's map is more detailed and close up than mine..but a larger view of '07-'08 really shows how ridiculous the gradient was. We probably wont see this type of gradient again for a while Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpha5 Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 No he meant in the '08-'09 winter. Nobody in SW CT averages 38-40" unless you are in the hills near Danbury or perhaps in the hills north of the Merritt. http://www.erh.noaa.gov/okx/SnowClimo/SnowClimoMain1.html I'm just on the border between the 35-30 and 30-35 zone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Analog96 Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 they didn't have one from 1944 to 1962...19 years...It will be 19 years if we don't get one this year...1985 got one after a torch December... That cant' be right! NYC did not go below zero in 1961? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jm1220 Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 Everything looks good to start with SWFEs in the upper levels..plenty of cold air. And then the low level "erection" sounding as I like to call it sticks out a stuff one right to 1.0 C at some layer which allows for a pounding of sleet. I will say this, if you wish for a SWFE at this latitude and you don't live in the hills of NW NJ, SE NY, or in CT away from the coast...you will more than likely regret it. I despise SWFE's...the mid level warm punch is almost always under forecast..the boundary layer temps are such a tease. They're even more of a tease in central PA. 2/14/07 essentially became a glorified SWFE out there, and the 850mb low tracked north of I-80, yet models up until 24 hrs before showed all snow down to Altoona. Right up to the start from there the warm air charged in on the models, until sleet made it up to the NY/PA border, before the big coastal took over. It was painful for me to watch a storm progged to drop 12-18"+ of mostly/all snow change to sleet so fast, but the back side of the coastal storm dropped a few additional inches of powder, to salvage a ~11" or so gloppy, cementlike mess. But the rule of thumb is that if the closed 850 low tracks NW of you, it's almost guaranteed that there's a warm nose above that and sleet at the very least. Unless there's very strong confluence up north, it's usually easy for the 850 low to track to our north and bring warm mid level air with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpha5 Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 they didn't have one from 1944 to 1962...19 years...It will be 19 years if we don't get one this year...1985 got one after a torch December... UHI has ruined KNYC's credibility IMO. At this point, its only fair to compare stats from a place in suburbs like KTEB or HPN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowGoose69 Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 they didn't have one from 1944 to 1962...19 years...It will be 19 years if we don't get one this year...1985 got one after a torch December... Again, there may be a PDO connection there, seems I want to blame the PDO for everything tonight but there may be something to at least the path arctic air masses take into the US during the warm and cool phases. It sure seems that more the below 0 days in NYC occurred during the warm PDO phase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle W Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 That cant' be right! NYC did not go below zero in 1961? oops...you're right...It was 17 years without a sub zero temp... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Analog96 Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 oops...you're right...It was 17 years without a sub zero temp... I knew they had to be below zero in 1961! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BxEngine Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 Ed's map is more detailed and close up than mine..but a larger view of '07-'08 really shows how ridiculous the gradient was. We probably wont see this type of gradient again for a while Thanks will thats what i was looking for...wanted to see for purely selfish reasons lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pamela Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 2008-2009 was good for NYC and LGA area. 27"-34", with NE Queens, western Nassau and SWCT the winners with 31"-35". What was the coastal Jersey total? Parts of northern Suffolk the actual "winner" that winter, but whatever the case.... Image courtesy NorthShoreWx:: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYCSuburbs Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 UHI has ruined KNYC's credibility IMO. At this point, its only fair to compare stats from a place in suburbs like KTEB or HPN KTEB may also not be as fair to use though as it reports temperatures that are too high in some cases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ag3 Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 1322624317[/url]' post='1153399']Image courtesy NorthShoreWx:: Thanks. Suffolk did very well. 35"-40".The gradient for 30" began in NE Queens and east and north. Jersey didn't do as well as I thought. Crazy to see Long Beach to Montauk with 35" of snow while earthlight and Isotherm with only 20". Never thought anyone can get more then earthlight ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 Parts of northern Suffolk the actual "winner" that winter, but whatever the case.... Image courtesy NorthShoreWx:: Looks like the North Fork got 45" on that map...pretty solid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snywx Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 http://www.erh.noaa.gov/okx/SnowClimo/SnowClimoMain1.html I'm just on the border between the 35-30 and 30-35 zone That map is not correct for these parts.. Off by a good 5-10" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pamela Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 1993-94 no doubt was an awesome winter, and probably the only gradient winter where the PHL-NYC corridor had well above average snowfall. IIRC it was a lousy snow year in Philly and a horrendous one at ACY...just south of Kennedy Airport...the totals dropped like a rock.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle W Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 Left out January 2004, which was colder than 'em all... instead of the coldest month these are the coldest 30 day periods since 1917...2003-04 has the eight coldest... coldest 30 day periods... since 1917. 1917-18 19.0 1933-34 19.6 1935-36 20.4 1947-48 21.5 1976-77 21.9 1980-81 22.2 1919-20 22.4 2003-04 22.5 1993-94 23.5 1944-45 23.8 1969-70 24.0 1970-71 24.2 1934-35 24.3 1960-61 24.6 1939-40 24.9 1967-68 25.1 1922-23 25.1 1981-82 25.2 1989-90 25.3 2006-07 25.8 1962-63 25.9 2002-03 25.9 1978-79 26.0 1983-84 26.1 1977-78 26.2 1999-00 26.2 1975-76 27.1 1984-85 27.5 1955-56 27.6 1995-96 27.7 1956-57 27.8 2008-09 27.9 1964-65 28.0 1957-58 28.1 2010-11 28.1 ...................................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 IIRC it was a lousy snow year in Philly and a horrendous one at ACY...just south of Kennedy Airport...the totals dropped like a rock.... IIRC, ABE had like 75" that winter and philly was around 20" or maybe a smidge less. Monster gradient there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isotherm Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 IIRC it was a lousy snow year in Philly and a horrendous one at ACY...just south of Kennedy Airport...the totals dropped like a rock.... Yeah just checked ACY's records and they have 7.8" for 93-94. If so, that's one helluva gradient up the NJ coast. 40" fell in Trenton and New Brunswick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ag3 Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 Yeah just checked ACY's records and they have 7.8" for 93-94. If so, that's one helluva gradient up the NJ coast. 40" fell in Trenton and New Brunswick. Wow. 8" in ACY and nearly 60" in NYC. That's an incredible gradient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 I think part of the reason ABE had a lot more too was that there was a big interior snowstorm on Mar 3, 1994. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pamela Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 IIRC it was a lousy snow year in Philly and a horrendous one at ACY...just south of Kennedy Airport...the totals dropped like a rock.... IIRC, ABE had like 75" that winter and philly was around 20" or maybe a smidge less. Monster gradient there. Actually about 23" at PHL so not lousy...per average conditions...more like mediocre...and my ACY recollection was right... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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