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It does'nt take much for any model to say phila will be above normal, since last feb being above normal is now the normal in the city. This year I could see some areas in the burbs of philly (especially those with elevation) getting 3 times as much snow

And what meteorological reasoning do you have for that?

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I saw Gary Gray commenting on FB that he's cancelled winter thru mid January.

That's where I'm at right now, too. If the MJO gets to P2/P3 around New Year's (like Roundy is showing), things could get interesting in mid-Jan (h/t HM). Before then, it is going to be a lot more warm than cold, methinks.

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That's where I'm at right now, too. If the MJO gets to P2/P3 around New Year's (like Roundy is showing), things could get interesting in mid-Jan (h/t HM). Before then, it is going to be a lot more warm than cold, methinks.

Out of curiosity because Walt has me on tape delay with Roundy info wink.png, is that with the MJO taking the usual and customary circuitous route to those phases or emerging from the COD on that side?

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That's where I'm at right now, too. If the MJO gets to P2/P3 around New Year's (like Roundy is showing), things could get interesting in mid-Jan (h/t HM). Before then, it is going to be a lot more warm than cold, methinks.

Just based on stats I think something should break in January but I'm with you. Until we get the AO to be more cooperative, the positive epo is going to really mess us up. They'll be cold shots but they will be more modest than the warm ones, methinks too.

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Out of curiosity because Walt has me on tape delay with Roundy info wink.png, is that with the MJO taking the usual and customary circuitous route to those phases or emerging from the COD on that side?

http://www.atmos.albany.edu/facstaff/roundy/waves/hovsdet/7.5S_7.5N/2011.png

The red thick lines outlines the progression of MJO convection at the equator. The real intense signature dies off around 120E (which is why the PS parameters show it going into the circle of death next week). After that, a weak signal pops in the IO around Christmas time, which should be a P2/P3 signature.

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Just based on stats I think something should break in January but I'm with you. Until we get the AO to be more cooperative, the positive epo is going to really mess us up. They'll be cold shots but they will be more modest than the warm ones, methinks too.

Thanks, as always, Wes.

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http://www.atmos.alb...S_7.5N/2011.png

The red thick lines outlines the progression of MJO convection at the equator. The real intense signature dies off around 120E (which is why the PS parameters show it going into the circle of death next week). After that, a weak signal pops in the IO around Christmas time, which should be a P2/P3 signature.

Thank-you..

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Euro looking good for a threat at 240, even DT starting to hype it up. Any thoughts Tombo?

And has anyone seen the NYC thread recently? The Trials kid is literally our Colin. Too funny. Feel bad for their subforum.

The look of it at day 10 looks nice like DT states. Solid cold air around, 50/50 low, nice pna ridge, def has the look. Only issue is its ten days out and the teleconnectors don't support it, they support a cutter. Never the less something to watch. The gfs has been hinting at a gradient like setup a couple of runs.

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Sometimes it doesn't look too good at day 7 either.

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Actually in terms of corroboration for scientific purposes, I thought the overnight Euro run was better than the 12z run.

that map says it all....why someone would talk about a potential 10 days away is beyond me...that map also shows the euro still has the bias of hanging back lows in the sw, but im pretty sure dtk confirmed it last year that was fixed.

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Apparently from the NE thread the 12z Euro Ensembles were much better in the long range though the weeklies sucked big time.axesmiley.png

I don't see anything spectacular in the 12z Euro ENS. There is some semblance of a -EPO, but the SE ridge holds, too. Still looks like gradient flow in the means.

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I don't see anything spectacular in the 12z Euro ENS. There is some semblance of a -EPO, but the SE ridge holds, too. Still looks like gradient flow in the means.

As long as it's not showing a Bermuda High with dewpoints in the low 70's, I'll take it.wink.png

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As long as it's not showing a Bermuda High with dewpoints in the low 70's, I'll take it.wink.png

Haha, I'm definitely with you there. Scooter is saying the SE ridge dominates the weeklies, which makes sense with the ripping easterlies going on for the next 10 days (at least) in the Tropical Central Pacific.

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Haha, I'm definitely with you there. Scooter is saying the SE ridge dominates the weeklies, which makes sense with the ripping easterlies going on for the next 10 days (at least) in the Tropical Central Pacific.

I'm still holding out hope for a good period of winter weather in January and early February. I posted earlier in this thread about how a few of the past Decembers have spoiled us with snow and cold. I've lived long enough to know that most winters around these parts really don't get going until after the New Year.

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I'm still holding out hope for a good period of winter weather in January and early February. I posted earlier in this thread about how a few of the past Decembers have spoiled us with snow and cold. I've lived long enough to know that most winters around these parts really don't get going until after the New Year.

Yeah, like I've said, I have my eye on mid-Jan for cold, pending the sun cooperating. At some point before then, I'm sure we'll see a quick hitting 2-4 storm or something.

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that map says it all....why someone would talk about a potential 10 days away is beyond me...that map also shows the euro still has the bias of hanging back lows in the sw, but im pretty sure dtk confirmed it last year that was fixed.

The Euro has been kind of inconsistent with the sw energy, so maybe it was fixed (vs just having the hanging back bias and dtk would know this more than me). In general it has had a slow over phased bias since the fall from our perspective. Once it starting hanging back the energy there were runs where it would have been precipitating on Thursday. Of course prior to that it had some flat solutions that totally by-passed us and the gfs was hanging back the trof. Then last week the gfs was dead wrong in not hanging back the energy, so its reading like no one is getting out of this winter without any scars.

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