Organizing Low Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 Euro continues the trend and now we have solid guiance in all corners for an EPO shift. First step...the EPO, 2nd step, weenies aglow, 3rd step, we get AO, 4th step, we hohoho, 5th step, PNA, 6th step, cold's here to stay, 6th step we get some snow, naked angels look out below, 7th step we sing with glee......it looks like '93.....step by step.... i'm about to pull the trigger here. the last 10 days or so of modeling, depsite their waffling, are showing a clear trend for here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 I never understood all of the winter cancel crap.....if we grab an event between now and Dec 15, great, but its not crucial. Winter starts in late October, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2Otown_WX Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 While the best, the EC has a warmer bias more than the other models in the mid-latitudes. GFS does not have a cold bias in the extended range anymore...it has a slight warm bias...at least for the 20N-80N sector of the globe. That's interesting I wonder why that is..do you think the magnitude of the bias is proportional to how far out the forecast is it just as valid even 24 or 48 hrs out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weathafella Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 Gradient patterns are my favorite because a warm look can deliver 12F and swirling snow or ice. OTOH, it can deliver that 60 miles north with me in 39 and rain. But the EPO wants to play and I love 1993 best of all since 1960-61. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSUmetstud Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 That's interesting I wonder why that is..do you think the magnitude of the bias is proportional to how far out the forecast is it just as valid even 24 or 48 hrs out? at least for the last month or so...the euro bias has grown with how far out the forecast is...the GFS bias remains similar at all time intervals. In order to figure out if there is more bias in one region compared to others, you'd have to do some substantial work...this is just hemispheric bias. The GFS used to have a prominent cold bias but that was corrected in the new physics package. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT Rain Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 Gradient patterns are my favorite because a warm look can deliver 12F and swirling snow or ice. OTOH, it can deliver that 60 miles north with me in 39 and rain. But the EPO wants to play and I love 1993 best of all since 1960-61. 93-94 was special.... that's for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSUmetstud Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 Gradient patterns are my favorite because a warm look can deliver 12F and swirling snow or ice. OTOH, it can deliver that 60 miles north with me in 39 and rain. But the EPO wants to play and I love 1993 best of all since 1960-61. Even with that big west coast ridge being forecasted on most of the models...it still seems as if they are having a tough bleeding significant cold air south into the northern tier of the US...I'd like to see that change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 Defintely looks gradient like. Despite that big ridge, the cold defintely does not appear to want to plow into the US as Nick noted. However, maybe we can get one or two instances with high pressure trying to sneak enough cold in the lower levels. At least torch like weather appears to be over. With the exception of a poster in ne CT who's elevation is just under 1,000ft...it appears to be going AWT. Not a wintry regime, but hopefully a couple of chances. Maybe 2 chances in the first week with the second one near the 6th or 7th? The 3rd of Dec is not looking hot, but we'll see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryslot Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 Euro ensembles actually look decent for early December. On the whole look seasonable with 1 or maybe 2 SWFEs. Dec 5th, Lock one up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT Rain Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 Defintely looks gradient like. Despite that big ridge, the cold defintely does not appear to want to plow into the US as Nick noted. However, maybe we can get one or two instances with high pressure trying to sneak enough cold in the lower levels. At least torch like weather appears to be over. With the exception of a poster in ne CT who's elevation is just under 1,000ft...it appears to be going AWT. Not a wintry regime, but hopefully a couple of chances. Maybe 2 chances in the first week with the second one near the 6th or 7th? The 3rd of Dec is not looking hot, but we'll see. Agree with this. Gradient pattern... maybe a wintry threat the week of the 5th... but no big cold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ski MRG Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 Meh what change looks the same to me. Nice Hammer drop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OKpowdah Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 AWT, GFS made another big leap toward the pack with the ULL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 AWT, GFS made another big leap toward the pack with the ULL Euro was pretty far south with it too, but at least it did have it. Both models have been pretty poor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 Euro was pretty far south with it too, but at least it did have it. Both models have been pretty poor. But euro ensembles FTW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Go Kart Mozart Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 Hindsight? Explain? Tongue in cheek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OKpowdah Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 Definitely well on our way to two notable wintry threats in the first week of December (3rd and 7th) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 Gradient patterns are my favorite because a warm look can deliver 12F and swirling snow or ice. OTOH, it can deliver that 60 miles north with me in 39 and rain. But the EPO wants to play and I love 1993 best of all since 1960-61. I can picture a season like that, displaced ~50 miles or so to the N, given ENSO strength... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 Agree with this. Gradient pattern... maybe a wintry threat the week of the 5th... but no big cold. I had a trace of snow going into Dec 17, 2008....on which day I received 2.5". 80" later I was done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorEastermass128 Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 I can picture a season like that, displaced ~50 miles or so to the N, given ENSO strength... How were snow amounts spread out that year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 How were snow amounts spread out that year? It was a ne NE season....swfe and late bloomers. I beat Will. There was a smoother gradient than 2007-08. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 It was a ne NE season....swfe and late bloomers. I beat Will. There was a smoother gradient than 2007-08. And I beat Kevin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 And I beat Kevin. I think latitude will be absolutely crucial through about mid January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weathafella Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 I can picture a season like that, displaced ~50 miles or so to the N, given ENSO strength... That would work.....probably shave 20 inches but still a big winter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorEastermass128 Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 That would work.....probably shave 20 inches but still a big winter. I would take snowfall in the 75-80 inch range. What did you guys finish with last winter? (BOS, specifically) ~85"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 I would take snowfall in the 75-80 inch range. What did you guys finish with last winter? (BOS, specifically) ~85"? About what I expect, here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weathafella Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 I would take snowfall in the 75-80 inch range. What did you guys finish with last winter? (BOS, specifically) ~85"? I think 81 inches. 1993-94.....96 ad change. 2 years later, 107.6. And don't forget 1992-93....83.9. That was a heckuva run sandwiched around the 1994-95 stinker of 14 measly inches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 Great thread by Foothills in the SE sub forum, we want that cutoff to rot for a couple of days then phase a day later than progged. Lots of reasons to believe the cutoff is slower to move than models prog, should be an awesome weather week to observe and learn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toronto blizzard Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 What are the euro ensembles showing at the end of the run (day16) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 What are the euro ensembles showing at the end of the run (day16) I think you mean GEFS.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 What are the euro ensembles showing at the end of the run (day16) Maps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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