BuffaloWeather Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 ehh..I don't think the airport gets that much more than downtown. Snow is measured differently nowadays than it was back then...many times they would just stick the ruler in at the end of an event back then...they didn't have the 6 hour standard which matters a great deal for snow, especially drier lake-effect. The airport has had a very good streak the last 15 years or so...which I believe is skewing the climo a bit. If you look at the snow spotter archive...hamburg and west seneca have averaged less than the airport...which is likely a short term blip for the general climo of the region. Your general point still stands though...if those years had happened now and they had been measuring snow at the airport..they would have likely recorded significantly more. Hamburg has a huge discrepancy from one side to the other. There are locations in cocarahs that measure snow in Hamburg along the shore line, and there are those that measure in Hamburg next to Boston at an elevation more then 1000 feet higher then the shoreline. Both are considered "Hamburg", yet the snowfall measurements could again be greatly skewed. Here where I live we are sort of in between. The town is literally a 2 mile drive from the heart of North Boston which receives on average far more snow then the airport and West Seneca. A few friends of mine live on top of a hill in North Boston that are considered "Hamburg" on there mail. I remember countless times having a dusting in Hamburg and driving up to there home and them having 6-8, sometimes a foot of snow. However the Hamburg Beach receives 40 inches less per year then the Town, and the town 20-30 inches less then the Hills of Hamburg...Its all about local climatology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSUmetstud Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 Hamburg has a huge discrepancy from one side to the other. There are locations in cocarahs that measure snow in Hamburg along the shore line, and there are those that measure in Hamburg next to Boston at an elevation more then 1000 feet higher then the shoreline. Both are considered "Hamburg", yet the snowfall measurements could again be greatly skewed. Here where I live we are sort of in between. The town is literally a 2 mile drive from the heart of North Boston which receives on average far more snow then the airport and West Seneca. However the Hamburg Beach receives 40 inches less per year then the Town...Its all about local climatology. Yeah, I completely understand that...but there is no way that the airport should be getting more than West Seneca and Hamburg over a longer term climo period. There's been several events over the past 15 years where the airport has been a snow magnet and they've jackpotted relative to the southtowns. I can think of Nov. 20th, 2000...Dec. 10th, 1995, and Dec. 24-28th, 2001. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 Yeah, I completely understand that...but there is no way that the airport should be getting more than West Seneca and Hamburg over a longer term climo period. There's been several events over the past 15 years where the airport has been a snow magnet and they've jackpotted relative to the southtowns. I can think of Nov. 20th, 2000...Dec. 10th, 1995, and Dec. 24-28th, 2001. I don't know if you saw but I added this on to my post: A few friends of mine live on top of a hill in North Boston that are considered "Hamburg" on there mail. I remember countless times having a dusting in Hamburg and driving up to there home and them having 6-8, sometimes a foot of snow. However the Hamburg Beach receives 40 inches less per year then the Town, and the town 20-30 inches less then the Hills of Hamburg...I swear the Hamburg zip code goes beyond its boundaries haha! Yea I just recently moved to Southtowns because my wife grew up in Eden. Hamburg is a middle ground between the City and Eden. I grew up in Buffalo for the 1995 storm, then moved to Cheektowaga from 2000-2010. Was happy to be in West Seneca last year when that storm hits. Seems everywhere I move the LES follows. =P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSUmetstud Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 I don't know if you saw but I added this on to my post: A few friends of mine live on top of a hill in North Boston that are considered "Hamburg" on there mail. I remember countless times having a dusting in Hamburg and driving up to there home and them having 6-8, sometimes a foot of snow. However the Hamburg Beach receives 40 inches less per year then the Town, and the town 20-30 inches less then the Hills of Hamburg...I swear the Hamburg zip code goes beyond its boundaries haha! Yea I just recently moved to Southtowns because my wife grew up in Eden. Hamburg is a middle ground between the City and Eden. I grew up in Buffalo for the 1995 storm, then moved to Cheektowaga from 2000-2010. Was happy to be in West Seneca last year when that storm hits. Seems everywhere I move the LES follows. =P when is the last stop Hamburg jackpotted from an event or Boston...or East Aurora...it seems like it's been kinda weird how the airport has gobbled up the storms. The south Buffalo/West Seneca event last year was actually an exception to the rule of late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSUmetstud Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 The airport has averaged around 105" the last 15 years. If you take a long term average...I think they've been doing very well. I'd guess that the average for NW Buffalo is 75-80"...downtown is 80-85"...and the airport is around 95"...West Seneca is 95-100...increasing as you move SE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 when is the last stop Hamburg jackpotted from an event or Boston...or East Aurora...it seems like it's been kinda weird how the airport has gobbled up the storms. The south Buffalo/West Seneca event last year was actually an exception to the rule of late. I see what you are saying, but most southtown regions average more snow then central/northern Erie county by quite a bit. I believe this has to do with the residence time of LES. If LES begins in southtowns and drifts north into Metro, it has to come back south before dissipating (Usually) Also, a W/WSW is more common then a SW/SSW. However, a SW/WSW utilizes the entire fetch of Lake Erie and hits the Metro and points northeast. I think the number of "large" LES snowstorms hit the Metro more. But there are countless of moderate/heavy snowstorms that just hit the southtowns and it then drifts into ski country. The moderate events add up over time to generate the larger snowfall totals then those areas to the north. Here is a few: http://www.erh.noaa....ect/stormc.html http://www.erh.noaa....ect/stormd.html http://www.erh.noaa....ect/stormi.html http://www.erh.noaa....0/b/stormb.html http://www.erh.noaa....0/c/stormc.html http://www.erh.noaa....1/g/stormg.html http://www.erh.noaa....fect/01-02.html http://www.erh.noaa....3/f/stormf.html http://www.erh.noaa....4/a/storma.html http://www.erh.noaa....5/a/storma.html http://www.erh.noaa....5/g/stormg.html http://www.erh.noaa....6/a/storma.html http://www.erh.noaa..../stormsume.html http://www.erh.noaa..../stormsuma.html http://www.erh.noaa..../stormsumc.html http://www.erh.noaa..../stormsumb.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSUmetstud Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 I see what you are saying, but most southtown regions average more snow then central/northern Erie county by quite a bit. I believe this has to do with the residence time of LES. If LES begins in southtowns and drifts north into Metro, it has to come back south before dissipating (Usually) Also, a W/WSW is more common then a SW/SSW. However, a SW/WSW utilizes the entire fetch of Lake Erie and hits the Metro and points northeast. I think the number of "large" LES snowstorms hit the Metro more. But there are countless of moderate/heavy snowstorms that just hit the southtowns and it then drifts into ski country. The moderate events add up over time to generate the larger snowfall totals then those areas to the north. Here is a few: http://www.erh.noaa....ect/stormc.html http://www.erh.noaa....ect/stormd.html http://www.erh.noaa....ect/stormi.html http://www.erh.noaa....0/b/stormb.html http://www.erh.noaa....0/c/stormc.html http://www.erh.noaa....1/g/stormg.html http://www.erh.noaa....fect/01-02.html http://www.erh.noaa....3/f/stormf.html http://www.erh.noaa....4/a/storma.html http://www.erh.noaa....5/a/storma.html http://www.erh.noaa....5/g/stormg.html http://www.erh.noaa....6/a/storma.html http://www.erh.noaa..../stormsume.html http://www.erh.noaa..../stormsuma.html http://www.erh.noaa..../stormsumc.html http://www.erh.noaa..../stormsumb.html I agree... but I think the number of epic northtowns events over the last 15 years has skewed the climo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 98.94 inches for Airport last 20 years. But Hamburg/Boston area is over 125-135+ inches per year in that same time frame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan11 Posted December 31, 2011 Author Share Posted December 31, 2011 32 with -FZRA here this morning....although it must be just about to go above freezing. I guess glazing on the roads passes for a notable wx event this winter. 98.94 inches for Airport last 20 years. But Hamburg/Boston area is over 125-135+ inches per year in that same time frame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sub_Zero Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 Snowing like mad out now...huge snowflakes! Ottawa North - Kanata - Orléans 7:47 AM EST Saturday 31 December 2011 Freezing rain warning for Ottawa North - Kanata - Orléans continued Brief freezing rain this morning. An area of freezing rain has intensified early this morning in the National Capital Region. It will move through by mid morning. A quick accumulation of 2 to 4 millimetres of ice is likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ottawa Blizzard Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 Can anyone tell me what the weather is looking like for Wednesday in southern Ontario between Toronto and Ottawa? Should the driving conditions be okay? Different weather outlets seem to be thinking different things! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sub_Zero Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 Can anyone tell me what the weather is looking like for Wednesday in southern Ontario between Toronto and Ottawa? Should the driving conditions be okay? Different weather outlets seem to be thinking different things! Be sure to have extra washer fluid! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Organizing Low Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 Can anyone tell me what the weather is looking like for Wednesday in southern Ontario between Toronto and Ottawa? Should the driving conditions be okay? Different weather outlets seem to be thinking different things! looks pretty good to me, although there may be a chance of light snow if you wait later in the day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ottawa Blizzard Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 looks pretty good to me, although there may be a chance of light snow if you wait later in the day Good to hear. I'm not too worried about light snow. Happy New Year by the way OL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WNYLakeEffect Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 If we remain dry through tonight, as we should, Lakewood will finish with 55.45" of rain this year. The Jamestown COOP is at 57.70". I think that is close to or above the record, but I'm not sure. Regardless, it's been a very wet year overall, despite the dry summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan11 Posted December 31, 2011 Author Share Posted December 31, 2011 I could see you guys had a drier summer/earl Fall when I was out as far as Little Valley, Cattaraugus in early October. Big difference from our saturated end of the state. For maybe two weeks it got hot and dry over here (around very late July) and then the deluges just overtook us again. And it was wet all Spring into early July. We had a two week summer. LOL 53.7" in KALB as of today's climo report. I usually get more here being elevated ...wouldn't be surprised if I was over 60", but I don't religiously record rainfall. If we remain dry through tonight, as we should, Lakewood will finish with 55.45" of rain this year. The Jamestown COOP is at 57.70". I think that is close to or above the record, but I'm not sure. Regardless, it's been a very wet year overall, despite the dry summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 I could see you guys had a drier summer/earl Fall when I was out as far as Little Valley, Cattaraugus in early October. Big difference from our saturated end of the state. For maybe two weeks it got hot and dry over here (around very late July) and then the deluges just overtook us again. And it was wet all Spring into early July. We had a two week summer. LOL 53.7" in KALB as of today's climo report. I usually get more here being elevated ...wouldn't be surprised if I was over 60", but I don't religiously record rainfall. We had an amazing summer here. Warm and Sunny from May straight through October. Fall has been warm and sunny as well. We had record rainfall in spring though, blowing the record away by 5-6 inches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ottawa Blizzard Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 Still looking okay for my drive on Wednesday, although EC is calling for "periods of snow" in Toronto. Models seem to show the snow being quite light in nature though and not even reaching eastern Ontario until mid afternoon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Organizing Low Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 Good to hear. I'm not too worried about light snow. Happy New Year by the way OL! Happy new year to you to OB. Happy new year to everyone in this thread! hopefully before your trip back, Ottawa picks up a bit of snow with the front on monday, as it has been a constant winter wonderland with pristine snow out there this past holiday week, but the above 0 temps later today will do some damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan11 Posted January 1, 2012 Author Share Posted January 1, 2012 Happy New Year to all also! Maybe you guys in Ottawa can get a distant Superior to Huron/Georgian Bay LES band before the flow goes more nw. I haven't really looked at it, but that can happen I think. Happy new year to you to OB. Happy new year to everyone in this thread! hopefully before your trip back, Ottawa picks up a bit of snow with the front on monday, as it has been a constant winter wonderland with pristine snow out there this past holiday week, but the above 0 temps later today will do some damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan11 Posted January 1, 2012 Author Share Posted January 1, 2012 While OB drives up the 401 on the north side of the lake.... I'll be maybe 50 miles away as the crow flies on the south side of said lake doing some research in Wayne County, NY. Probably the best LES will be shut off by then, but maybe at least some decent snow cover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ottawa Blizzard Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 Happy new year to you to OB. Happy new year to everyone in this thread! hopefully before your trip back, Ottawa picks up a bit of snow with the front on monday, as it has been a constant winter wonderland with pristine snow out there this past holiday week, but the above 0 temps later today will do some damage. It's certainly looking to be mighty cold in Ottawa on Tuesday. It wouldn't surprise me if it saw a 0F day on Tuesday. There still does look to be some light snow on Tuesday, but for the sake of good driving, hopefully it remains light. At least freezing rain looks out of the question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayuud Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 just had a 55mph gust,it's very windy outside Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swva Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 Just got back to VA from my holiday week in Redfield. Had about 8 or 9 inches of LES on Wednesday. Looks like I am going to miss the main event by 24 to 48 hours. Wish I could have stayed another couple of days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan11 Posted January 2, 2012 Author Share Posted January 2, 2012 Final postscript on the soggy year - 2011 around here. PUBLIC INFORMATION STATEMENT...CORRECTED NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE ALBANY NY 1205 PM EST SUN JAN 01 2012 ...2011 WAS THE 3RD WETTEST YEAR ON RECORD FOR ALBANY NEW YORK... TOP 10 WETTEST YEARS - RECORDS DATE BACK TO 1826 1) 56.78 INCHES 1871 2) 55.81 INCHES 1870 3) 53.68 INCHES 2011 4) 51.83 INCHES 1850 5) 49.80 INCHES 1827 6) 49.37 INCHES 1878 7) 48.35 INCHES 1843 8) 48.22 INCHES 1848 9) 47.79 INCHES 2008 10) 47.72 INCHES 2005 NORMAL 1981-2010: 39.35 INCHES MONTHLY PRECIPITATION IN INCHES & DEPARTURE FROM 1981-2010 NORMALS. JAN 2.37 (-0.22) FEB 3.87 (+1.67) MAR 4.20 (+.099) APR 4.66 (+1.49) MAY 4.68 (+1.07) JUN 4.67 (+0.88) JUL 3.04 (-1.08) AUG 10.41 (+6.95) 2ND WETTEST AUGUST ON RECORD SEP 6.62 (+3.32) OCT 3.54 (-0.14) NOV 1.86 (-1.43) DEC 3.76 (+0.83) 2011 53.66 (+14.33) 3RD WETTEST YEAR ON RECORD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roady Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 Final postscript on the soggy year - 2011 around here. PUBLIC INFORMATION STATEMENT...CORRECTED NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE ALBANY NY 1205 PM EST SUN JAN 01 2012 ...2011 WAS THE 3RD WETTEST YEAR ON RECORD FOR ALBANY NEW YORK... TOP 10 WETTEST YEARS - RECORDS DATE BACK TO 1826 1) 56.78 INCHES 1871 2) 55.81 INCHES 1870 3) 53.68 INCHES 2011 4) 51.83 INCHES 1850 5) 49.80 INCHES 1827 6) 49.37 INCHES 1878 7) 48.35 INCHES 1843 8) 48.22 INCHES 1848 9) 47.79 INCHES 2008 10) 47.72 INCHES 2005 NORMAL 1981-2010: 39.35 INCHES MONTHLY PRECIPITATION IN INCHES & DEPARTURE FROM 1981-2010 NORMALS. JAN 2.37 (-0.22) FEB 3.87 (+1.67) MAR 4.20 (+.099) APR 4.66 (+1.49) MAY 4.68 (+1.07) JUN 4.67 (+0.88) JUL 3.04 (-1.08) AUG 10.41 (+6.95) 2ND WETTEST AUGUST ON RECORD SEP 6.62 (+3.32) OCT 3.54 (-0.14) NOV 1.86 (-1.43) DEC 3.76 (+0.83) 2011 53.66 (+14.33) 3RD WETTEST YEAR ON RECORD Bunghamton shattered the old record by about 15" for the year. Over 64" of rain in 2011 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ottawa Blizzard Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 looks pretty good to me, although there may be a chance of light snow if you wait later in the day The forecasts being put out for Wednesday by TWN and EC are so contradictory! On TV, TWN is calling for "cloudy flurries" with maybe an inch accumulation, while EC is calling for periods of snow. OL, does it still look like good driving weather for Wednesday, in your opinion. According to the Euro model (viewed on the Wunderground site) it doesl ook like mainly light snow. A windshield washer fluid kind of day at worst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Organizing Low Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 The forecasts being put out for Wednesday by TWN and EC are so contradictory! On TV, TWN is calling for "cloudy flurries" with maybe an inch accumulation, while EC is calling for periods of snow. OL, does it still look like good driving weather for Wednesday, in your opinion. According to the Euro model (viewed on the Wunderground site) it doesl ook like mainly light snow. A windshield washer fluid kind of day at worst. its just light snow....2-3 cm type stuff, if that. i guess it will be on the colder side especially past kingston, so it could be the greasy type, but with all the traffic on the 401, i wouldnt be too concerned. if you leave in the morning, you would likely miss the light snow entirely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayuud Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 long range looks **** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wx4cast Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 Glad I mentioned (snow) storm threat this AM for Sunday PM esp for Albany and points S & E. Lats night's 00z EC had it and the GFS was trending N and NW; new 12z GFS looks like last night 00z Euro. Finally something to talk about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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