BuffaloWeather Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 Ayudd you live in the worst possibly place for a snow lover in WNY. Right along the lake shore in North Buffalo. You should move somewhere else. haha! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayuud Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 Ayudd you live in the worst possibly place for a snow lover in WNY. Right along the lake shore in North Buffalo. You should move somewhere else. haha! it's a rain magnet lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayuud Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 Already snowing here, which I didn't think it was supposed to until tonight. About 0.25" probably. looks like you'll get the highest accum with this one,3-6" per the nws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stash Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 You guys in WNY would be more of an expert in your climatology than me, but where is the worst spot out there for snow? I am guessing somewhere north of Buffalo in the Niagara Frontier, no? Looking at maps, it looks like some places there average less than Albany. Ayudd you live in the worst possibly place for a snow lover in WNY. Right along the lake shore in North Buffalo. You should move somewhere else. haha! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Organizing Low Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 it's a rain magnet lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 Everywhere in WNY gets more snow then Albany. 200+ inches a year in the southern tier to 100-150 in Southtowns/Wyoming county. Buffalo airport averages around 100 inches per year.The least amount of snow is right along lakeshore because the temperature is always a few degrees warmer then inland areas. Also northwest of Buffalo near Niagara Falls usually receives the least amount per year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Organizing Low Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 looking around, seems as though some places in S ontario and WNY are definitely ahead of schedule with the switch to snow, by a couple or few hours even. YYZ west burbs have switched over. RGEM/SREFs have a decent handle on this in S. ontario but not in WNY. for NNY/eastern ontario and SW quebec, the latest euro remains weaker and further east by about 30 miles once it moves into our neck of the woods. Euro has remained persistent with this track, and remains the sole easterly outlier. never a comfortable feeling, especially with its insistence. the result is the heaviest snow falls E of ottawa and just N of montreal, but MTL sees more frozen than on the other models.....basically the forecast from yesterday. other models are not showing this anymore though. the SPC surface analysis does show a low which is stronger than the euro indicated at this time though, but it is a loose low presure center. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan11 Posted December 27, 2011 Author Share Posted December 27, 2011 It's not far western NY, but I can tell you that the area around Waverly, NY/Sayre, PA is a snow desert. I understand they average under 45 inches per year. East of the lake effect, low elevations, too far west for most Noreasters, torched pretty fast on Ohio Valley type lows.... You guys in WNY would be more of an expert in your climatology than me, but where is the worst spot out there for snow? I am guessing somewhere north of Buffalo in the Niagara Frontier, no? Looking at maps, it looks like some places there average less than Albany. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stash Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 Yes, I was certainly thinking of those areas Rick, but I thought the area near Niagara Falls, north of the main Erie lake belt averaged around what Toronto does, which is only in the 50-60" range I believe. I could be mistaken about that area (NWS average snowfall maps and coops could be wrong I suppose), but I am fairly sure you are correct about the Waverly area. It's not far western NY, but I can tell you that the area around Waverly, NY/Sayre, PA is a snow desert. I understand they average under 45 inches per year. East of the lake effect, low elevations, too far west for most Noreasters, torched pretty fast on Ohio Valley type lows.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan11 Posted December 27, 2011 Author Share Posted December 27, 2011 KALB has seen their average 30 year snowfall go in the crapper for successive 30 year spans. 1961-90 was like 66", 1971-00 was 62" and 1981-2010 is down to 59".... not sure what has happened to the climate. ALB proper downslopes so they also have more challenges keeping snow on the ground. I can only estimate, but I think I average over 80" here I think (25 miles west) ...maybe even 85". Also one plus about this climate is we do not torch as much as WNY, so I bet we have more days with 1" on the ground than BUF per winter...for what that's worth. . Everywhere in WNY gets more snow then Albany. 200+ inches a year in the southern tier to 100-150 in Southtowns/Wyoming county. Buffalo airport averages around 100 inches per year.The least amount of snow is right along lakeshore because the temperature is always a few degrees warmer then inland areas. Also northwest of Buffalo near Niagara Falls usually receives the least amount per year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorEaster27 Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 rain / sleet / snow mix here in Lake George, should go to all rain soon... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stash Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 For KALB, luck may be a part of it, as some other stations north, south, east, and west have seen their respective averages climb or remain steady. For you I would certainly say closer to 85". I have an old grainy black and white map (tried scanning many times, doesn't come out well) done up by the local hydrologists/meteorologists of average local snowfall for just the greater ALB viewing area. They use Albany's average (60-65" at the time) as a base, and use + or - contours around it for the change in snowfall. Out here I am in the +10 contour, and your area is more in the +20 with the added elevation. Both respectable averages, relatively, though I know we can't compare to direct lake effect areas. While ALB proper does downslope, you see it affect averages a lot more immediately south of ALB...especially from Ravena on south in the Hudson Valley where averages drop considerably below even ALB's (you would know this as well I'm sure, as I remember you saying you moved from that are to your current location). KALB has seen their average 30 year snowfall go in the crapper for successive 30 year spans. 1961-90 was like 66", 1971-00 was 62" and 1981-2010 is down to 59".... not sure what has happened to the climate. ALB proper downslopes so they also have more challenges keeping snow on the ground. I can only estimate, but I think I average over 80" here I think (25 miles west) ...maybe even 85". Also one plus about this climate is we do not torch as much as WNY, so I bet we have more days with 1" on the ground than BUF per winter...for what that's worth. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lakeeffectkid383 Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 Back to ALL rain here in Cheektowaga with a temp of 35.2 degrees. Earlier we were starting to get a light coating on the grass while I was at work but it has since melted with the rain. Hopefully we'll go back to snow soon =\ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorEaster27 Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 rain / sleet / snow mix here in Lake George, should go to all rain soon... 1200 feet, all snow: 400 feet: Depressing, rain / sleet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mississaugasnow Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 Yes, I was certainly thinking of those areas Rick, but I thought the area near Niagara Falls, north of the main Erie lake belt averaged around what Toronto does, which is only in the 50-60" range I believe. I could be mistaken about that area (NWS average snowfall maps and coops could be wrong I suppose), but I am fairly sure you are correct about the Waverly area. Youngstown NY, in northern Niagara county most likely avgs close to Toronto. Its only 20 miles across the lake from the GTA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lakeeffectkid383 Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 WWA hoisted for all of NWS BUF forecast area.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan11 Posted December 27, 2011 Author Share Posted December 27, 2011 Whatever St. Catherines averages ...must be just about the same as Youngstown or Lewiston. I was out there for work a few weeks ago in Hamilton..stayed in Oakville. It was a pretty nice area, albeit on the dry side of the lake. Youngstown NY, in northern Niagara county most likely avgs close to Toronto. Its only 20 miles across the lake from the GTA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lakeeffectkid383 Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 NWS saying snow ratios later tonight snd tomorrow will be 25:1 which means every tenth of an inch of QPF will accumulate to 2.5″… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayuud Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 Wow 3-5" woohoo!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Organizing Low Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sub_Zero Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 Nice! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Organizing Low Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 one thing that i have noticed all day is that the snow is more prevalent/earlier as ptype on the west side than the models have indicated.. gonna have to watch this as it is still in the realm of the possibility that MTL sees a lot more frozen than wet on the front end...something the euro tried to imply...in which case my zone C would have to be extended further S to include MTL metro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Organizing Low Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 Nice! is it snowing there? its pelting snow, big fat flakes in barrhaven, already 1/2 inch down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorEaster27 Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 steady sleet here in lake george, 33/30 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sub_Zero Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 is it snowing there? its pelting snow, big fat flakes in barrhaven, already 1/2 inch down. coming down hard! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorEaster27 Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 32/30 sleet with some flakes mixed in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlestonNYC Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 Snowing lightly on top of Mont Royal...drizzling w/ some flakes mixed in downtown Montreal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Organizing Low Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 Snowing lightly on top of Mont Royal...drizzling w/ some flakes mixed in downtown Montreal. when are you at tremblant? keep us posted on what happens when the precip gets heavier in mtl.....it may flip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Couchsachraga Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 Sleet, then rain in Queensbury. Sleet, then snowing for a bit in Johnsburg! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan11 Posted December 27, 2011 Author Share Posted December 27, 2011 He couldn't have picked a better spot than Tremblant. when are you at tremblant? keep us posted on what happens when the precip gets heavier in mtl.....it may flip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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