Late November/Early December upcoming wx.

[snowNH]

You wont see a flake for weeks

You won't see a flake for months.

[ORH_wxman]

http://t.co/Y4wVEv7Q

Doesn't mean jack sh** until the we get rid of the monster Alaska vortex...unless you like having a December 1996 or December 2001 -AO/NAO.

[snowNH]

Doesn't mean jack sh** until the we get rid of the monster Alaska vortex...unless you like having a December 1996 or December 2001 -AO/NAO.

I cringe everytime you mention 01-02 and 96-97

[weathafella]

We take what we get. In this case a 522 thickness leaf of plenty cold air drills in here Friday. First official freeze for many locations who haven't already had it?

[Ottawa Blizzard]

Doesn't mean jack sh** until the we get rid of the monster Alaska vortex...unless you like having a December 1996 or December 2001 -AO/NAO.

Fear not. JB is hinting at changes in the pattern down the line, just like he did in November 2001

[weathafella]

I cringe everytime you mention 01-02 and 96-97

You mentioning those 2 years together suggests you were very young. 1996-97 featured decent December snow, a cold January with a nice 4-8 snow for ENE and of course, one of the great blizzards of the 20th century 3/31-4/1.

[CoastalWx]

You mentioning those 2 years together suggests you were very young. 1996-97 featured decent December snow, a cold January with a nice 4-8 snow for ENE and of course, one of the great blizzards of the 20th century 3/31-4/1.

It's '01/'02 that should make him cringe. NAO won't mean shiat if all it is doing, is shoving Pacific taint into SNE.

[ORH_wxman]

You mentioning those 2 years together suggests you were very young. 1996-97 featured decent December snow, a cold January with a nice 4-8 snow for ENE and of course, one of the great blizzards of the 20th century 3/31-4/1.

Dec 1996 was amazing here with the Cantore snow bomb...lol. Not so much on the CP...but you still had the first part of that double barreled event and then had some snow before New Years.

But it shows how we can still get a monster snow dump even in a warm pattern (esp in the interior). You definitely do not want to do it that way as odds don't favor it, but it can happen unlike areas who are even more married to the cold temps.

[Ottawa Blizzard]

You mentioning those 2 years together suggests you were very young. 1996-97 featured decent December snow, a cold January with a nice 4-8 snow for ENE and of course, one of the great blizzards of the 20th century 3/31-4/1.

I was 16 during that winter, and the thing I remember the most was the Christmas Eve cold front. Intense snowsqualls off of Lake Huron buried Kitchener, Ontario with up to a foot of snow.

[weathafella]

Dec 1996 was amazing here with the Cantore snow bomb...lol. Not so much on the CP...but you still had the first part of that double barreled event and then had some snow before New Years.

But it shows how we can still get a monster snow dump even in a warm pattern (esp in the interior). You definitely do not want to do it that way as odds don't favor it, but it can happen unlike areas who are even more married to the cold temps.

The first piece was a huge bust...was supposed to be all rain. I of course was at a meeting in Orlando. This was before most of us had cell phones. My wife leaves a message on the hotel phone....."snowing .....hard". That was in the midstt of my long losing streak culminating in my being stranded for the December 2003 storm in Dallas.

[CoastalWx]

Dec 1996 was amazing here with the Cantore snow bomb...lol. Not so much on the CP...but you still had the first part of that double barreled event and then had some snow before New Years.

But it shows how we can still get a monster snow dump even in a warm pattern (esp in the interior). You definitely do not want to do it that way as odds don't favor it, but it can happen unlike areas who are even more married to the cold temps.

Yeah we did...good memory on that.

[CoastalWx]

The first piece was a huge bust...was supposed to be all rain. I of course was at a meeting in Orlando. This was before most of us had cell phones. My wife leaves a message on the hotel phone....."snowing .....hard". That was in the midstt of my long losing streak culminating in my being stranded for the December 2003 storm in Dallas.

Jerry is was ripping Paste+. Even had TSSN down in se mass. It was 40F when I went to school that day.

[ORH_wxman]

Yeah we did...good memory on that.

It was really cold. I think there were two back to back clippers that dropped snow..maybe Dec 30, 1996 and Jan 1, 1997...I could be off by a day or so on each storm though. Frigid temps.

[CoastalWx]

The snow was so wet, it slid off the side of my car and formed this concave like structure..lol. More snow piled on top of it, but it was this almost skate board ramp like feature.

[CoastalWx]

It was really cold. I think there were two back to back clippers that dropped snow..maybe Dec 30, 1996 and Jan 1, 1997...I could be off by a day or so on each storm though. Frigid temps.

I remember the 12/30 one...I think it was that day. The morning of Jan 1 was really cold iirc.

[CoastalWx]

Looks like it was the 31st.

[ORH_wxman]

I remember the 12/30 one...I think it was that day. The morning of Jan 1 was really cold iirc.

It looks like it was 12/31 and 1/2...

DEC-96 FOR WORCESTER, MA (1011')                	LAT=42.3N LON= 71.9W 
        		TEMPERATURE               		PRECIPITATION
     	ACTUAL   		NORMAL
   	HI   LO  AVG 	HI   LO  AVG   DEPT 	AMNT   SNOW SNCVR   HDD
1  	51   37   44 	41   27   34	+10 	0.30  	T	0 	21
2  	54   32   43 	41   26   33	+10 	1.46	0.0	0 	22
3  	42   27   35 	40   26   33 	+2 	0.00	0.0	0 	30
4  	45   26   36 	40   25   33 	+3    	T	0.0	0 	29
5  	36   31   34 	39   25   32 	+2 	0.00	0.0	0 	31
6  	34   27   31 	39   25   32 	-1 	0.36   10.0	8 	34
7  	29   27   28 	39   24   32 	-4 	0.82   16.3   21 	37
8  	36   28   32 	38   24   31 	+1 	0.30  	T   16 	33
9  	37   23   30 	38   24   31 	-1 	0.00	0.0   12 	35
10  	33   20   27 	38   23   31 	-4 	0.00	0.0   11 	38
11  	37   30   34 	37   23   30 	+4 	0.14	0.0	8 	31
12  	37   31   34 	37   23   30 	+4 	0.49  	T	3 	31
13  	35   30   33 	37   22   30 	+3    	T  	T	2 	32
14  	34   32   33 	36   22   29 	+4 	0.13	0.6	3 	32
15  	34   32   33 	36   22   29 	+4 	0.03  	T	2 	32
16  	36   32   34 	36   21   29 	+5    	T	0.0	1 	31
17  	51   36   44 	36   21   28	+16 	0.69  	T	0 	21
18  	51   41   46 	35   21   28	+18 	0.00	0.0	0 	19
19  	45   31   38 	35   20   28	+10 	0.45  	T	0 	27
20  	31   17   24 	35   20   27 	-3 	0.01	0.3	0 	41
21  	29   15   22 	35   20   27 	-5 	0.00	0.0	0 	43
22  	33   22   28 	34   20   27 	+1 	0.00	0.0	0 	37
23  	36   30   33 	34   19   27 	+6    	T	0.0	0 	32
24  	57   35   46 	34   19   26	+20 	0.68	0.0	0 	19
25  	40   20   30 	34   19   26 	+4 	0.06  	T	0 	35
26  	33   19   26 	33   19   26 	+0 	0.00	0.0	0 	39
27  	39   27   33 	33   18   26 	+7 	0.00	0.0	0 	32
28  	41   28   35 	33   18   26 	+9    	T	0.0	0 	30
29  	50   41   46 	33   18   25	+21 	0.24	0.0	0 	19
30  	43   24   34 	33   18   25 	+9 	0.00	0.0	0 	31
31  	21   -1   10 	33   18   25	-15 	0.05	1.0	1 	55
            		TOTALS FOR ORH   
HIGHEST TEMPERATURE   57 		TOTAL PRECIP    	6.91
LOWEST TEMPERATURE	-1 		TOTAL SNOWFALL  	28.2
AVERAGE TEMPERATURE 33.2 		NORMAL PRECIP   	3.80
DEPARTURE FROM NORM +4.3 		
HEATING DEGREE DAYS  979
NORMAL DEGREE DAYS  1119


JAN-97 FOR WORCESTER, MA (1011')                	LAT=42.3N LON= 71.9W 
        		TEMPERATURE               		PRECIPITATION
     	ACTUAL   		NORMAL
   	HI   LO  AVG 	HI   LO  AVG   DEPT 	AMNT   SNOW SNCVR   HDD
1  	20   -3	9 	33   17   25	-16    	T  	T	1 	56
2  	32   19   26 	32   17   25 	+1 	0.05	1.6	3 	39

[snowNH]

You mentioning those 2 years together suggests you were very young. 1996-97 featured decent December snow, a cold January with a nice 4-8 snow for ENE and of course, one of the great blizzards of the 20th century 3/31-4/1.

I was only 8.... I don't remember jack s*** of 96-97... just heard from posts on here... Ironically the first winter I followed weather was 00-01. I specifially remember that epic dryslot on the New Years day noreaster. That was the first event I followed. What got me started in following weather was a TWC chat online with Mike Sidel regarding the New Years day storm. I remember that vividly. Probably the best winter in SNH in a while.

[Professional Lurker]

sorry for the OT question... doing a little bit of catching up on this thread tonite.

What's "AKTAHBSFAL"

...As Kevin Thought And...?

[weathafella]

Remember the system that was supposed to miss us south. My wife and were of course watching TWC and she looks at the loop and declares we're getting nailed. I ridiculed her but the next morning I awaken to S+. Her street cred went way up with me that weekend. 2 months later I installed a pentium computer....just out then with 14.4 dial up. Remember the funny sound? Now in the IT world that's referred to as a POTS line.

[CoastalWx]

The thing that drove me nuts about the storms in Jan and even Feb of '97, was that they flipped to rain so many times. There must have been several events where I went to bed and it was snowing...only to wake up to see some mangled piles from a plow and slush dripping off my car. There was that one surprise event in Jan that hit pretty good. That started as a little system near Kentucky and next thing I know..I wake up to like 6" of snow..lol. I was in Hyde Park at the time, but se mass had close to 10" I think.

[CoastalWx]

Remember the system that was supposed to miss us south. My wife and were of course watching TWC and she looks at the loop and declares we're getting nailed. I ridiculed her but the next morning I awaken to S+. Her street cred went way up with me that weekend. 2 months later I installed a pentium computer....just out then with 14.4 dial up. Remember the funny sound? Now in the IT world that's referred to as a POTS line.

The thing that drove me nuts about the storms in Jan and even Feb of '97, was that they flipped to rain so many times. There must have been several events where I went to bed and it was snowing...only to wake up to see some mangled piles from a plow and slush dripping off my car. There was that one surprise event in Jan that hit pretty good. That started as a little system near Kentucky and next thing I know..I wake up to like 6" of snow..lol. I was in Hyde Park at the time, but se mass had close to 10" I think.

LOL, we thinking of the same thing?

[weathafella]

LOL, we thinking of the same thing?

Yup.

[ORH_wxman]

LOL, we thinking of the same thing?

I got about a half inch to an inch of heavy snow for 45 minutes and then it stopped...i was so pissed. Meanwhile they had a Patriots game in Foxboro the next day that had huge snow banks plowed off the field next tot he stands. I remember Drew Bledsoe being tackled out of bounds and into one of those snow piles and it made me even angrier.

But I deserved to be punched anyway since we had so many more gifts that winter...mostly Dec 1996 Cantore snow bomb.

[CoastalWx]

Yup.

That's great.

[snowNH]

I couldn't even imagine trying to have weather as a hobby without computers Jerry.. what the hell was it like? Would you just follow TV Mets for a storm? No models, no radar capabilry at home

Must of just been gear up for a monster, sit back turn on the fire, open up the a bottle of red, and ride it out

[CoastalWx]

I got about a half inch to an inch of heavy snow for 45 minutes and then it stopped...i was so pissed. Meanwhile they had a Patriots game in Foxboro the next day that had huge snow banks plowed off the field next tot he stands. I remember Drew Bledsoe being tackled out of bounds and into one of those snow piles and it made me even angrier.

But I deserved to be punched anyway since we had so many more gifts that winter...mostly Dec 1996 Cantore snow bomb.

I had no idea we where getting that. I looked out and was like WTF is going on? Big azz dendrites too. Fluff bomb.

[ORH_wxman]

I couldn't even imagine trying to have weather as a hobby without computers Jerry.. what the hell was it like? Would you just follow TV Mets for a storm? No models, no radar capabilry at home

Must of just been gear up for a monster, sit back turn on the fire, open up the a bottle of red, and ride it out

You kept watching the Weather Channel waiting for them to change their forecast....you watched the 6pm and 11pm local news like a hawk...and the morning news. Waiting for Burbank or Harvey Leonard to update.

It was easy back then because we didn't have any idea of computers or the models coming out available to us so easily.

In 30 years, people will be asking the same question about us now...how the hell did we watch the weather back in 2011 with this crap we have now?

[CoastalWx]

I couldn't even imagine trying to have weather as a hobby without computers Jerry.. what the hell was it like? Would you just follow TV Mets for a storm? No models, no radar capabilry at home

Must of just been gear up for a monster, sit back turn on the fire, open up the a bottle of red, and ride it out

We did that all the way up into the late 90s...lol. Well I guess in '96 or '97 you had the ability, but I lived and died through TV forecasts through the mid 90s at least. The sickest weenie knows how awesome it was to have those morning updates at 7:25 and 8:25 am.

[weathafella]

I had no idea we where getting that. I looked out and was like WTF is going on? Big azz dendrites too. Fluff bomb.

My friend and I xc skied at the Arboretum that afternoon. Progs were for another storm in a few dys but that didn't work out.