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if nothing else, its going to get cold this run. 1052 mb high in the Rockies, and a due south flow dragging -16 air into the heartland. And there is the strong s/w at 144 rounding the base out in the western Plains. Can it cutoff or dig into the Southeast or get sheared?

Out to 162 it's hard to say what's going that low isn't nearly as strong though as the 00z going up the coast. Looks like some snow in WNC though ...maybe some in CLT up to GSO.

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at 168, the 5h begins a cutoff over west Kentucky. The cold air is banked along the Apps and it looks interesting as far as possibly turning into a deep cutoff...still looks a little too pos. tilt and not quite enough ridging out west....close call though. Also, this qualifies as a blue norther, big time.

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at 168, the 5h begins a cutoff over west Kentucky. The cold air is banked along the Apps and it looks interesting as far as possibly turning into a deep cutoff...still looks a little too pos. tilt and not quite enough ridging out west....close call though. Also, this qualifies as a blue norther, big time.

Wow 174 looks a lot better lots of moisture going on in NC and GA looks to be in on some of the action. This will be a fun ride boys and girls.

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Wow 174 looks a lot better lots of moisture going on in NC and GA looks to be in on some of the action. This will be a fun ride boys and girls.

Yep, deep cutoff (but broad) in TENN Valley, and surface low on Coast of NC....plenty of snow in CArolinas, don't know how heavy though, as well as snow under teh cutoff in TEnn Valley. Temps here -4 to -8...so temps no prob.

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Whoa ! hour 174...Yikes cutoff,a nd snowing in the South. This could get wild. Edit..should say mostly Carolinas. Its a neutral sharp trough, far enough west to allow overrunning and backing flow into the cold in the Carolinas.

Wow, very fine line here. Talk about threading the needle.

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Yep, deep cutoff (but broad) in TENN Valley, and surface low on Coast of NC....plenty of snow in CArolinas, don't know how heavy though, as well as snow under teh cutoff in TEnn Valley. Temps here -4 to -8...so temps no prob.

Just eyeballing it might be a good .50? Hard to say. That euro map on Wunderground should be fun to look at that's for sure.

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at 186, the cutoff is over North GA and the surface low off ORF. This wouild be a major snowstorm for most of East coast, down into Carolinas. Strong high in eastern Canada and again western Plains. Overall, I always liked the idea of a deep cutoff somewhere in the South for a while now, so this fits what I've been honking a couple months now. Of course, hasn't happened yet, its just on the models. One thing though, the models have been too far east with the cutoffs this season, so who knows what that means for this one (if it happens). For the western Carolinas, we're threading the needle, since too far west, will mean the cold wont' come over the Apps in time...and too far east means we don't get into any precip. But the odds are, there is going to be a cutoff. Atleast thats what I'm thinking.

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Sounds like the Euro is giving no love to Georgia based on what you guys are saying. If the Carolina gets it and we don't I'll be sad for us but happy for you guys to the northeast.

Yea looks mainly light for GA...but just based on the Euro a good section of points east and north from ATL on would get a little bit of action.

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Remember not to take this run as truth yet..its well out there. The good news is this model is being pretty consistent on a deep eastern trough. It could wind up a bit west of where its shown, which would rain in the Carolinas, and be a nice snowstorm thats better developed for areas along the Apps and west of the Apps....the recent past sort of argues for a westward trend with time since many cutoffs have beena little further west. It remains to be seen how amped up the western ridge becomes...also, this model has overdone western ridging all season. Thats one major strike against it. But, its fun to look at. A solution that would benefit more of the board would be slightly further west of everything, and the surface development to begin in northeast Gulf of mexico, with the cutoff being located over southern Miss/Ala region that slowly works east. That would spread a major snowstorm throughout much of the Southeast then up the east coast toward Midatlantic. That kind of cutoff would be extremely anamolous, but its happened.

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Robert, what do you think about 2m temps on this run? Looks to be very close. Looks to be one of those cold chasing moisture events.

I haven't looked yet. The 850 and thicknes looks good though, and the location of the sfc low on the coast, high in Canada and all points west, I' wouldn't worry on surface temps interior NC. The ECMWF is pretty bad anywhere there.

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The Euro has been extremely stubborn (what, 7 or 8 consecutive runs now?). It reminds me of the success it had last winter in dealing with split flows and longer range. It would appear that other models have been slowly migrating toward the Euro (to some degree anyway). Will we see another winter of the GFS playing catch up?

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at 186, the cutoff is over North GA and the surface low off ORF. This wouild be a major snowstorm for most of East coast, down into Carolinas. Strong high in eastern Canada and again western Plains. Overall, I always liked the idea of a deep cutoff somewhere in the South for a while now, so this fits what I've been honking a couple months now. Of course, hasn't happened yet, its just on the models. One thing though, the models have been too far east with the cutoffs this season, so who knows what that means for this one (if it happens). For the western Carolinas, we're threading the needle, since too far west, will mean the cold wont' come over the Apps in time...and too far east means we don't get into any precip. But the odds are, there is going to be a cutoff. Atleast thats what I'm thinking.

Sweet!! A week of these PBP's and cliff divers it's time for some weather forum fun folks. How much for mby???lol I'll take the Canadian and Euro right now with the GFS coming on board in a couple days. There will be much waffling and positive/negative trends to come but at least we have a threat to track. Going off history here in SC early january is prime time for a "biggie" if we are to get one.

Lookout and WeatherNC might need to express proper etiquette on posting before this starts

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Isn't the thickness though conducive for snow...I know 2m temps are going to wreck havoc with what sticks...but still since it's close those on the edge might luck out?

I agree Burger, the 850's look good. I always like to take a look at 2m temps also and in this case it looked close. Doesn't really matter though considering this is still a good ways away. It's still fun to look at though and to finally have something to track during models runs.

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I am not getting all that amped up about this run just yet (especially since ATL would likely get screwed anyway, at least out of accumulating snow)- it is worrisome that the Ukie is not on board at all, and there is little spread in the GFS ensembles. I think that it is pretty obvious that the GFS is likely way OTL, and this trough will be a lot deeper than that model. But will this be as massive a trough as the Euro says? Perhaps, the odds are increasing certainly, but it is a long ways off still.

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it turns into a 5, almost 6 contour cutoff. Not bad at all. Major hit of snow from far upstate SC to most points north and east. Looks like CLT to GSO are atleast 5" , more at GSO and around RIC, then the surface low comes intland at New Jersey then weaken. The Apps should get dumped on good with all the flow of moisture around the low , even down to GA, even though thats not shown so well. That setup would def. support it. For my area, I 'd prefer a slightly further south starting point and the 5h to cut off over Alabama. Anything is possible at this stage of the game. And again if the model is missing the western Ridge, this won't work out. Atleast its something to track, our first snow threat of the season...in a season where many had dove off the cliff for the entire Winter.

The pattern has always supported anomalous deep southern cutoffs, and the fact the models still show this just solidifies it. I've said it before and I'll say it again, at some point a major deep snowstorm is likely in the South this season. Who knows if this is the one though.

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