Where are your snow accumulation cutoff areas at in your area?

[CAT5ANDREW]

I live in Rego Park Queens.South of Jamaica Ave has been the cutoff between heavier accumulations or in some cases,none at all.This past weekends snowfall gave me about 3 inches but down i Ozone parkwhere my girlfriend lives,she had hardly anything.DEC 9 2005 I had 3 inches while Ozone Pk had nothing and Astoria had almost 6 inches.

I remember storms in JAN 1987,1988 and 1990 that gave me 3-5 inches of snow by me while Southern Queens got little if anything.Again,all of these storms were wet snow with marginal temps.

Eastern Queens also tends to get the heavier snow totals from The Grand Central Parkway on Northward.

What are the areas where you live that do this on a consistent basis?

[Sundog]

I live in Rego Park Queens.South of Jamaica Ave has been the cutoff between heavier accumulations or in some cases,none at all.This past weekends snowfall gave me about 3 inches but down i Ozone parkwhere my girlfriend lives,she had hardly anything.DEC 9 2005 I had 3 inches while Ozone Pk had nothing and Astoria had almost 6 inches.

I remember storms in JAN 1987,1988 and 1990 that gave me 3-5 inches of snow by me while Southern Queens got little if anything.Again,all of these storms were wet snow with marginal temps.

Eastern Queens also tends to get the heavier snow totals from The Grand Central Parkway on Northward.

What are the areas where you live that do this on a consistent basis?

Living by the Throgs Neck banked me literally zero snow with this last event. Very anomalous indeed.

[CAT5ANDREW]

Living by the Throgs Neck banked me literally zero snow with this last event. Very anomalous indeed.

April 9 1996 had no snow where you are.At the Northern Blvd exit on the cross island parkway.no snow.By the grand central Parkway there was 6 inches.The CCB set up so perfect that it stayed that way for hours that night.I drove back and forth in that band with heavy snow/rain mixed with snow.

[NYsnowlover]

On long island, many think that it is south of the LIE, but it is more like east of KISP

But the north shore does see the most snow, but the most dramatic cutoff is when you go on to either of the twin forks.

[Isotherm]

Living in Monmouth County, I often find myself "smelling the rain" in marginal events. There's often quite a significant difference between my area of central Monmouth, about 10 miles inland, and several miles to my SE near Belmar. Numerous times KBLM and especially Spring Lake/adjacent towns have been cold rain at 33-37 degrees while I'm snowing near freezing.

December '03 storm was an extreme case of this Monmouth County gradient, that basically rides the GSP. To the west of it, upwards of 15-18" of snow, and to the east/south, as low as 3". IMBY I recorded 18", what I consider to be the threshold of a historic event, while folks along the SE coast of Monmouth didn't even get a significant snow with 3".

This is also why the avg snowfall in Monmouth County goes from the upper 20s in the western half to darn near Philly's average along the immediate shore. Often there is a major difference in accumulations routinely, from Long Branch to Colts Neck/Holmdel/Freehold.

[CAT5ANDREW]

Living in Monmouth County, I often find myself "smelling the rain" in marginal events. There's often quite a significant difference between my area of central Monmouth, about 10 miles inland, and several miles to my SE near Belmar. Numerous times KBLM and especially Spring Lake/adjacent towns have been cold rain at 33-37 degrees while I'm snowing near freezing.December '03 storm was an extreme case of this Monmouth County gradient, that basically rides the GSP. To the west of it, upwards of 15-18" of snow, and to the east/south, as low as 3". IMBY I recorded 18", what I consider to be the threshold of a historic event, while folks along the SE coast of Monmouth didn't even get a significant snow with 3".<img src="http://i42.tinypic.com/24v757l.gif" />This is also why the avg snowfall in Monmouth County goes from the upper 20s in the western half to darn near Philly's average along the immediate shore. Often there is a major difference in accumulations routinely, from Long Branch to Colts Neck/Holmdel/Freehold.

When I used to work as a supermarket merchandiserI have seen several inches just west of the GSP but in Middletown on Rte 35 by the ShopRite,there was little snow.

[uncle W]

I remember a few times driving up i280 with little or no snow near the turnpike to a few inches up the hill after Orange N.J....

[psv88]

On long island, many think that it is south of the LIE, but it is more like east of KISP

But the north shore does see the most snow, but the most dramatic cutoff is when you go on to either of the twin forks.

A big line is in west central nassau. Where the meadowbrook hits the northern state on west is generally colder during marginal events, but, sees less snow than areas east in the all out heavy hitters.

Also, in western suffolk, areas south of jericho turnpike see significantly less than areas north during marginal events.

But generally, the LIE is a good cutoff, places like long beach can got to rain while it stays all snow from mid-island north. This happened during the snowicane, i remember some posters on the south shore had a mix, in mid island we stayed all snow.

[NorEaster27]

Living by the Throgs Neck banked me literally zero snow with this last event. Very anomalous indeed.

Odd to see southern queens get more snow than northern queens, rare to even have snow with a 60 degree sound and a NNE wind. I had around 1.5 inches with the last event, I am usually screwed in most events with the heavier snow being a few miles to my north. I did very well in PD#2 but that was more due to being closer to a heavier band than anything releated to a rain / snow line. It was in the low teens when that snow event began.

[Alpha5]

Route 15 in CT.

North of it you can often see 2x-4x the snow the places by the sound get

[NYsnowlover]

A big line is in west central nassau. Where the meadowbrook hits the northern state on west is generally colder during marginal events, but, sees less snow than areas east in the all out heavy hitters.

Also, in western suffolk, areas south of jericho turnpike see significantly less than areas north during marginal events.

But generally, the LIE is a good cutoff, places like long beach can got to rain while it stays all snow from mid-island north. This happened during the snowicane, i

remember some posters on the south shore had a mix, in mid island we stayed all snow.

Lol, I had all snow during that one, I am north of the southern state, but south of I-495.

[rgwp96]

i live about 4 miles nw of rt 287 and a sharp cutoff on some storms is the bottom of the riverdale hill on rt 23. rt 287 runs right through the middle of the hill. north of their snow, south a mix or rain . Im sure many know where im refering to

[NorthShoreWx]

I am normally on the snow side of the line (when there is one locally), but this past weekend the tables were turned. I had to go south (away from the sound) to find any accumulation of snow. Gotta love those sound temps following a blistering hot summer.

On another note, when I used to commute to NYC by train, there was no bigger difference between two adjacent LIRR stations than between Hicksville and Syosset. Hicksville was in the tropics. Too many times to count it was raining in Hicksville and snowing 5 minutes later in Syosset. The LIE worked well as a boundary in eastern Nassau for sure.

[NorthShoreWx]

A big line is in west central nassau. Where the meadowbrook hits the northern state on west is generally colder during marginal events, but, sees less snow than areas east in the all out heavy hitters.

Also, in western suffolk, areas south of jericho turnpike see significantly less than areas north during marginal events.

But generally, the LIE is a good cutoff, places like long beach can got to rain while it stays all snow from mid-island north. This happened during the snowicane, i remember some posters on the south shore had a mix, in mid island we stayed all snow.

LIE works pretty well out this way too. Cutoff is more likely to be there (LIE) than at Jericho. It might work so well because it lines up pretty close to the Ronkonkoma moraine.

<northshore theory> It's not that the elevation change is all that great, but the hills are a bit of a buffer against some of the low level warm air steaming off the ocean. This doesn't work very long on a screaming SE wind, but when we are warming up on a more favorable wind direction I believe it does. </unproven northshore theory>

[NorthShoreWx]

On long island, many think that it is south of the LIE, but it is more like east of KISP

But the north shore does see the most snow, but the most dramatic cutoff is when you go on to either of the twin forks.

One of the local ironies is that the FOK icebox is one of the worst places for snow. If there is a coastal front in play, FOK is on the wrong side of it. Sometimes they sip umbrella drinks on the porch while the rest of the island is snowing. Then 2 days later they radiate to -15 with traces of snowcover.

[LongBeachSurfFreak]

I would actually push the boundary further south in Nassau and use the Southern State. The coastal front like to set up right in that area even in some bigger historical events (happened allot in 93/94) This past event definitely had some little anomalies while I got my expected half inch in Long Beach parts of eastern central queens north of JFK had 2 or 3 inches and at the same distance from the water in Eastern Nassau had basically nothing. So there was definitely a more pronounced east west gradient then the normal north south,

[Guest Pamela]

I lived in Plainview (east central Nassau County) for 23 years and the R/S line frequently set up about 2 miles or so north of my house (just north of L.I.E / Northern State Parkway)....the area is a little more elevated and (or at least was) a good deal more rural than southern and middle Nassau... the 1993-94 winter drove that point home better than most...

[psv88]

I lived in Plainview (east central Nassau County) for 23 years and the R/S line frequently set up about 2 miles or so north of my house (just north of L.I.E / Northern State Parkway)....the area is a little more elevated and (or at least was) a good deal more rural than southern and middle Nassau... the 1993-94 winter drove that point home better than most...

2 miles north of the LIE..aka...Jericho Turnpike...

[Stormlover74]

I know in some marginal events where I'm on the snowy side in Western union county that the route 1 corridor often sets up as the rain/snow line. Basically northern Middlesex over to Somerset and Hunterdon on northward are snow, but Trenton to say the Old Bridge area might be rain or mixing. I believe the Feb 2008 event was typical of this. When I lived in Bergen County there were situations where it was raining in Newark and snowing in the Clifton/East Rutherford area despite only being a few miles away.

[NorthShoreWx]

2 miles north of the LIE..aka...Jericho Turnpike...

Plainview is south of the LIE, probably at least 2 miles south of the LIE. I believe that when William said LIE, he meant LIE (not Jericho).

However, we are splitting hairs in that part of Nassau since the two roads (LIE and 25) are only about a mile apart in the vicinity of Syosset.

I grew up in south Syosset, next to the northern state (i.e., just a bit south of the LIE), and most times there wasn't a major difference that I observed between there and the north side of town. There are a couple of events that stand out in my memory with an interesting r/s line. One from a storm in January 1983 that we were right on the line between a rainstorm and a big snowstorm in New England. I remember making a brief trip from my house where it was snowing to Bethpage where it was raining, about 4 or 5 miles south, then back to the snow at my house. Bethpage eventually got about an inch, at my house we got 3.8" and at my friend's house in north Syosset there was about 6".

Another one that comes to mind was the big storm at the end of March 1984. Areas up around 25A flirted with 10", the ole homestead in South Syosset had about 6" and Massapequa Park had squat.

All of which points to the LIE being as good a rule of thumb as any, but the r/s line is not so discrete.

[CAT5ANDREW]

I used to do work at many of the Supermarkets on LI.Fort Salonga Waldbaums on the North Shore would have loads of snow there...6-8 inches while stores on the South Shore would not have anything at all.The Glen Head Waldbaums in Nassau Couty also had lots of snow there many times while The Waldbaums in Garden City Park had a lot less In NEPA,the Towns of Milford and Matamoras would be rain while just 2 miles up the hill on Rte 6 there could be a blizzard raging.

[Absolute Humidity]

<BR>Living in Monmouth County, I often find myself "smelling the rain" in marginal events. There's often quite a significant difference between my area of central Monmouth, about 10 miles inland, and several miles to my SE near Belmar. Numerous times KBLM and especially Spring Lake/adjacent towns have been cold rain at 33-37 degrees while I'm snowing near freezing.<BR><BR><BR>December '03 storm was an extreme case of this Monmouth County gradient, that basically rides the GSP. To the west of it, upwards of 15-18" of snow, and to the east/south, as low as 3". IMBY I recorded 18", what I consider to be the threshold of a historic event, while folks along the SE coast of Monmouth didn't even get a significant snow with 3".<BR><BR><IMG src="http://i42.tinypic.com/24v757l.gif"><BR><BR>This is also why the avg snowfall in Monmouth County goes from the upper 20s in the western half to darn near Philly's average along the immediate shore. Often there is a major difference in accumulations routinely, from Long Branch to Colts Neck/Holmdel/Freehold.

This one is a good example of Freehold's micro climate Jan 21, 2011. Just 1 mile to my North and west saw 3 to 4" all snow while in town I measure about 1" of wet slop. On the flip side, during the 2007 Valentine's day Sleet fest, Freehold received about 4" sleet while just 1 mile South and East it was about 1" of mostly ZR with tree damage and power outages. Also this last storm we had about 3" yet 2 to 5 miles north and west the saw between 4 and 6" and again, Just 2 miles to my South and East, they saw an inch of slop, mostly from the last deform band at night. Seems the area often is on the border line of 925 thickness warm tounges, thus with marginal surface temps, we get rain, or sleet if on the edge of a 850 warm tounge with cold surface temps alas V-Day 2007.

[RevWarReenactor]

Exactly. Being just west of the Garden State parkway in Monmouth County its amazing the difference a few miles can make. I remember the V Day storm was interesting because just 5 miles to the south was rain, just 5 miles to the north was sleet, and we had freezing rain.

[WintersGrasp]

i live about 4 miles nw of rt 287 and a sharp cutoff on some storms is the bottom of the riverdale hill on rt 23. rt 287 runs right through the middle of the hill. north of their snow, south a mix or rain . Im sure many know where im refering to

wow you are definitely right about that one! One that I've also noticed is on Bloomfield avenue going over from eastern Montclair to Verona and Caldwell. Just a 10 minute drive but big differences. Also from Oakland to ringwood HUGE changes

[WintersGrasp]

But, by far, the biggest most drastic changes would occur driving from around northern Newark to west Milford NJ. 45 minutes is sometimes the difference between 1-2" of snow and 25-30"! Also there is often a 20-30 degree temperature difference, at night especially. Just incredible

[Isotherm]

I found some more examples off Ray's site to emphasize the Western/Eastern Monmouth snowfall gradient.

Feb 1995. 1" to 15" gradient.

Feb 2006. 3" to nearly 20"

April 2003. Nothing to 8" in Holmdel.

Even in the blizzard of 1996, you have a 8-10" gradient from the shore to inland Monmouth. Most of the big storms have a several inch or greater difference b/t the shore towns and 10+ mile inland towns.

[WintersGrasp]

Actually Burlington county has some ranges just as incredible as Monmouth at least!