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November 2011 Obs/Forecasting Discussion


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Just ugly looking

I'm somewhat confident that 40S is at or below normal temps in DEC....If I had to guess, I'd say 75% we have some sort of mean trough in the mid atlantic/southeast, and 25% we torch....Snow is another story....We probably aren't cold the entire month, but I like our chances of more cold the warm...that's all you can really hope for....And I think much of that is PAC driven....The PAC will get better....I am assuming the Atlantic gets better too....if it doesn't like everyone expects it to, this winter could be a disaster....

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mAjor PaTTErN CHANGE

In a warm November, it will get cold at some point....it has to....so if you don't get the timing close it isn't much of a call....Unless we have disaster December, we are going to get a 7-10 day stretch of pattern change cold at some point....The verification is getting the timing correct.....I don't know when it will happen...I think analogs support cold rather than warm....But I wouldn't be surprised to see it pushed back til 12/10-15 when the MJO cycles around again....Until then maybe we are ridgy in the means, with periodic 2-3 day transient cold shots.....which probably means no snow, but maybe you get lucky and get a fast moving clipper a day behind the cold front....

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In a warm November, it will get cold at some point....it has to....so if you don't get the timing close it isn't much of a call....Unless we have disaster December, we are going to get a 7-10 day stretch of pattern change cold at some point....The verification is getting the timing correct.....I don't know when it will happen...I think analogs support cold rather than warm....But I wouldn't be surprised to see it pushed back til 12/10-15 when the MJO cycles around again....Until then maybe we are ridgy in the means, with periodic 2-3 day transient cold shots.....which probably means no snow, but maybe you get lucky and get a fast moving clipper a day behind the cold front....

I guess I'm at the point I hope we torch till I get back tho since it's too early for snow I doubt I'd miss the cold. Maybe I should convince my dad to take a few day trip to Tahoe.

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I guess I'm at the point I hope we torch till I get back tho since it's too early for snow I doubt I'd miss the cold. Maybe I should convince my dad to take a few day trip to Tahoe.

I'd be kind of stunned if we saw more than a flurry at best here over the next 2 weeks....I will be in the tropics next week until the 27th and I am not worried about missing anything...My biggest concern is it is in the 60s here and I wasted a perfectly good weather week back home while sitting on the beach in the 80s

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I'd be kind of stunned if we saw more than a flurry at best here over the next 2 weeks....I will be in the tropics next week until the 27th and I am not worried about missing anything...My biggest concern is it is in the 60s here and I wasted a perfectly good weather week back home while sitting on the beach in the 80s

the alaskan vortex is a stable pattern... i remember when it developed in 2006 and we kept waiting for the pattern change that didn't happen til feb

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I'd be kind of stunned if we saw more than a flurry at best here over the next 2 weeks....I will be in the tropics next week until the 27th and I am not worried about missing anything...My biggest concern is it is in the 60s here and I wasted a perfectly good weather week back home while sitting on the beach in the 80s

I think that you are safe, the big AK vortex doesn't look to be going anywhere soon and the AO looks to remain postive. That's pretty bad look. I'm starting to think the pattern change will hold off until after the 1st week of Dec maybe even the second. The mjo looks like it will be in quadrants 4-6 during the 1st two weeks of Dec which generally are on the warm side, especially 4 and 5.

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Happy Thanksgiving!

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Gobble, gobble.

However, the Euro from 9 days ago wasn't exactly spot on with today's forecast either. So, I'm not getting too worried or excited over 10 day forecasts.

Well, I wanted to post pics from the model, but can't seem to get it to work. Trust me, they aren't a good match.

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Question:

Would you (anyone) rather have no systems to track, no chance of snow, or, get to track several systems that manage to narrowly miss us (last year)?

Personally, I'm much more at ease when there is no chance of snow.

For now having nothing to track is fine. Eventually we need something or nothing happens.

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I think that you are safe, the big AK vortex doesn't look to be going anywhere soon and the AO looks to remain postive. That's pretty bad look. I'm starting to think the pattern change will hold off until after the 1st week of Dec maybe even the second. The mjo looks like it will be in quadrants 4-6 during the 1st two weeks of Dec which generally are on the warm side, especially 4 and 5.

This pattern doesn't bother me....We don't average much snow here before 12/15....I will go on record as stating I would like to see at least 1 modest December event...like 2-4"....even if it is a clipper without much moisture content...I will be kind of bummed if we don't have any measurable snow by 12/31....

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This pattern doesn't bother me....We don't average much snow here before 12/15....I will go on record as stating I would like to see at least 1 modest December event...like 2-4"....even if it is a clipper without much moisture content...I will be kind of bummed if we don't have any measurable snow by 12/31....

I'll also be bummed as I won't have anything to write about.

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