November General Banter

[Gastonwxman]

It's been a great Thanksgiving so far. Just got back home from my daddy's mama's house. We still have the dinner that was cooked before departing to Grandma's so I have that to enjoy while watching the football game (Cowboys vs. Dolphins). Going to work tomorrow from 3pm-8pm and then maybe 1 day of rest before leaving for my friend's house Sunday for late Thanksgiving dinner. Busy weekend ahead.

[WilkesboroDude]

I made it out of Super Walmart tonight alive.

Thought I would check in..

[CandymanColumbusGA]

I made it out of Super Walmart tonight alive.

Thought I would check in..

Glad you made it out of that place alive! I'm surprised we haven't heard of any fights in Walmart on the scanners yet....

[Cold Rain]

From the Pattern Change thread:

You better watch it Mr Bobbie, I will have to give you a timeout if this conduct continues

You are right of course, nothing you said was out of bounds in any way and cold rain's comments made me lol. Funny how sometimes trying to help someone on this topic can make you catch hell if it's not what they want to hear. Fact is anyone who is not familiar with you should listen to you because you know what the hell you are talking about.

In other news, it still sucks monkey poo not seeing you with the black tag.

I would insert Widre's comment which was nothing more than calling Cad an idiot here in order to ask your help in interpreting how that should help anyone understand the topic of the complexity of the pattern change, but of course, it has been deleted. That was the primary driver of me responding to Strongwx's comment, which has also been deleted (which contained nothing more than an observation).

Evidently, it's ok for someone to blatantly be rude and condescending to someone that you don't agree with, instead of trying to help them along with science, logic, and reason. I supposed you can do this all day, unless your name happens to be Valkorn. He took a lot of heat for that...and he should have.

I have no issue with Mr. Bob, and my remarks were not directed at him. I like Widre too. You bring a lot of good discussion and fun to the board. But there are only a handful of reasons to treat another poster with blatant disrespect, and meteorology is not one of them. Besides, regardless of why the pattern change thread was started, it's still a good topic for discussion. Add something to it, other than snarky comments.

[Amos83]

I heard that a I lady in Los Angeles pepper sprayed people in order to get an advantage as they were let into a local Walmart last night...... I have such a hard time understanding people that would do something like this. I think it was at a Walmart a couple of years ago on Black Friday that customers tore off the front door and ended up trampling and killing people just to get in the doors quicker. It's crazy.

[DaculaWeather]

Glad you made it out of that place alive! I'm surprised we haven't heard of any fights in Walmart on the scanners yet....

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/11/25/ten-injured-after-woman-uses-pepper-spray-on-black-friday-crowd/

[LithiaWx]

From the Pattern Change thread:

I would insert Widre's comment which was nothing more than calling Cad an idiot here in order to ask your help in interpreting how that should help anyone understand the topic of the complexity of the pattern change, but of course, it has been deleted. That was the primary driver of me responding to Strongwx's comment, which has also been deleted (which contained nothing more than an observation).

Evidently, it's ok for someone to blatantly be rude and condescending to someone that you don't agree with, instead of trying to help them along with science, logic, and reason. I supposed you can do this all day, unless your name happens to be Valkorn. He took a lot of heat for that...and he should have.

I have no issue with Mr. Bob, and my remarks were not directed at him. I like Widre too. You bring a lot of good discussion and fun to the board. But there are only a handful of reasons to treat another poster with blatant disrespect, and meteorology is not one of them. Besides, regardless of why the pattern change thread was started, it's still a good topic for discussion. Add something to it, other than snarky comments.

The comment that Wildre made was completely out of line. It seems like the longer you have been apart of these boards the more leeway you are given for comments like that. Nobody should be given a free pass and Wildre got one, or so it seems. There are ways to disagree with a poster and the way he did it imo was unacceptable in this forum. That is the type of comment you would see in the Political Roundtable of Off Topic section of these forums, even in those forums it's completely tasteless to insult someone like that. I disagree with folks all the time in here but I ALWAYS make sure I do it with respect. I've only seen Wildre post for about a year, he does seem to know his stuff but the comment was inexcusable.

[Cold Rain]

The comment that Wildre made was completely out of line. It seems like the longer you have been apart of these boards the more leeway you are given for comments like that. Nobody should be given a free pass and Wildre got one, or so it seems. There are ways to disagree with a poster and the way he did it imo was unacceptable in this forum. That is the type of comment you would see in the Political Roundtable of Off Topic section of these forums, even in those forums it's completely tasteless to insult someone like that. I disagree with folks all the time in here but I ALWAYS make sure I do it with respect. I've only seen Wildre post for about a year, he does seem to know his stuff but the comment was inexcusable.

I tend to agree with you...it seems like the longer you've been part of this community, the more latitude you're given. That's probably a function of everyone getting to know everyone well. I don't think it's always a negative practice, but by the same token, you shouldn't be allowed to purposefully personally attack another poster.

As far as meteorology goes, both Mr. Bob, Widre, and others were/are correct in that it's unwise to forecast a pattern change off of a 15 day GFS prog. I think we can all agree with that. On the other hand, this is a weather board. It's not a necessity for most of us. Most of us are here because we enjoy it and because we love the weather. Given that, in late Autumn, when most everyone is excited to start seeing signs of cold and snow, if somebody starts a pattern change thread, even if it's not based upon the best scientific evidence of such a change, I would argue that the thread can still be extremely valuable and fun to read and participate in. How it got started is less important than the discussion value that can come from the overall thread. Anyone has yet to make a case why that is a worthless exercise.

I agree with you on the PR stuff, which goes back to my other point (and largely what I was thinking of when I posted my "cowardly" comment). Sure, we've all been in discussions in the real world that were heated, and we've called other folks stupid or idiots or whatever. But I'm willing to wager that most of the people here that act that way, don't trot through life insulting everyone in their path that they disagree with. We tend to conform to a general social framework when in public. It's much easier to attack, insult, and berate people in here. But it is cowardly and does show very poor character. And anyone who wants to beat me up for saying that, go right ahead. That won't make it any less true.

[CAD_Wedge_NC]

From the Pattern Change thread:

I would insert Widre's comment which was nothing more than calling Cad an idiot here in order to ask your help in interpreting how that should help anyone understand the topic of the complexity of the pattern change, but of course, it has been deleted. That was the primary driver of me responding to Strongwx's comment, which has also been deleted (which contained nothing more than an observation).

Evidently, it's ok for someone to blatantly be rude and condescending to someone that you don't agree with, instead of trying to help them along with science, logic, and reason. I supposed you can do this all day, unless your name happens to be Valkorn. He took a lot of heat for that...and he should have.

I have no issue with Mr. Bob, and my remarks were not directed at him. I like Widre too. You bring a lot of good discussion and fun to the board. But there are only a handful of reasons to treat another poster with blatant disrespect, and meteorology is not one of them. Besides, regardless of why the pattern change thread was started, it's still a good topic for discussion. Add something to it, other than snarky comments.

The comment that Wildre made was completely out of line. It seems like the longer you have been apart of these boards the more leeway you are given for comments like that. Nobody should be given a free pass and Wildre got one, or so it seems. There are ways to disagree with a poster and the way he did it imo was unacceptable in this forum. That is the type of comment you would see in the Political Roundtable of Off Topic section of these forums, even in those forums it's completely tasteless to insult someone like that. I disagree with folks all the time in here but I ALWAYS make sure I do it with respect. I've only seen Wildre post for about a year, he does seem to know his stuff but the comment was inexcusable.

Thanks for the support folks........My thread was merely to open up a discussion on a potential pattern change. I would have never guessed that it would turn into this. As far as Widreman's comment........I would expect no less from him, but to have a Met side with him and call you out for a long range run that you have posted and then turn around and post comments about the Euro long range weeklies is just wrong. Today is the first time I have ever put a Met on my ignore list. No offense to Lookout or Weather NC but the southeast forum is becoming just as bad as the other sub-forums and I never thought I would ever say that. Make no mistake, I will still post comments, but I will not start a thread in here again.

[kanc2001]

I heard that a I lady in Los Angeles pepper sprayed people in order to get an advantage as they were let into a local Walmart last night...... I have such a hard time understanding people that would do something like this. I think it was at a Walmart a couple of years ago on Black Friday that customers tore off the front door and ended up trampling and killing people just to get in the doors quicker. It's crazy.

I dont understand with people would go to walmart in the first place. Support your local "Main St" Merchant. I make a point to do so, even if it is a little more expensive, especially at the holidays. Big Box stores are evil for all im concerned.

[burgertime]

Thanks for the support folks........My thread was merely to open up a discussion on a potential pattern change. I would have never guessed that it would turn into this. As far as Widreman's comment........I would expect no less from him, but to have a Met side with him and call you out for a long range run that you have posted and then turn around and post comments about the Euro long range weeklies is just wrong. Today is the first time I have ever put a Met on my ignore list. No offense to Lookout or Weather NC but the southeast forum is becoming just as bad as the other sub-forums and I never thought I would ever say that. Make no mistake, I will still post comments, but I will not start a thread in here again.

I say this respectfully, I think the bigger issue was that there shouldn't be a discussion on it because it was one frame of one run. It could have just been put in the November thread with a passing comment. That's what the argument is about is if there should be a whole topic about it. Let alone the fact that there is a topic about pattern change with real professionals on the main weather discussion forum. So for some it was a useless thread to begin with then add in the fact that there was zero support for the pattern change and you get those type of comments.

As for some posters getting a pass. That's just the internet..come on. I remember when I first joined I got into with DT over non weather stuff and he was being a total jerk and I got threatened with being banned. Professionals will ALWAYS get the benefit of the doubt..ALWAYS and that's how it should be if you want them coming on the board. I'm not calling the pros divas or anything but guess what when you're needed you get extra, it happens at work and it happens on the internet.

If you want Widre and Bob's posts deleted then expect your whole thread to be deleted since it also breaks the rules. They showed you as much restraint as Widre and Bob.

[CAD_Wedge_NC]

I say this respectfully, I think the bigger issue was that there shouldn't be a discussion on it because it was one frame of one run. It could have just been put in the November thread with a passing comment. That's what the argument is about is if there should be a whole topic about it. Let alone the fact that there is a topic about pattern change with real professionals on the main weather discussion forum. So for some it was a useless thread to begin with then add in the fact that there was zero support for the pattern change and you get those type of comments.

As for some posters getting a pass. That's just the internet..come on. I remember when I first joined I got into with DT over non weather stuff and he was being a total jerk and I got threatened with being banned. Professionals will ALWAYS get the benefit of the doubt..ALWAYS and that's how it should be if you want them coming on the board. I'm not calling the pros divas or anything but guess what when you're needed you get extra, it happens at work and it happens on the internet.

If you want Widre and Bob's posts deleted then expect your whole thread to be deleted since it also breaks the rules. They showed you as much restraint as Widre and Bob.

What rule did I break?

[LithiaWx]

I say this respectfully, I think the bigger issue was that there shouldn't be a discussion on it because it was one frame of one run. It could have just been put in the November thread with a passing comment. That's what the argument is about is if there should be a whole topic about it. Let alone the fact that there is a topic about pattern change with real professionals on the main weather discussion forum. So for some it was a useless thread to begin with then add in the fact that there was zero support for the pattern change and you get those type of comments.

As for some posters getting a pass. That's just the internet..come on. I remember when I first joined I got into with DT over non weather stuff and he was being a total jerk and I got threatened with being banned. Professionals will ALWAYS get the benefit of the doubt..ALWAYS and that's how it should be if you want them coming on the board. I'm not calling the pros divas or anything but guess what when you're needed you get extra, it happens at work and it happens on the internet.

If you want Widre and Bob's posts deleted then expect your whole thread to be deleted since it also breaks the rules. They showed you as much restraint as Widre and Bob.

The thread did not break any rules I'm aware of, this whole discussion is ridiculous. Wildre called CAD an idiot. CAD did nothing wrong and neither did Mr. bob imo. Wildre was wrong period and name calling should not be tolerated. I have no problem with a met or anyone else saying what someone posted was garbage that's fine but calling someone an idiot is rude, brash, and just wrong on a few levels.

[FoothillsNC]

What rule did I break?

I don't see any problem in creating that thread. This is a weather board after all, and if I recall the powers that be a while back even mentioned how the Southeast group doesn't have nearly as many threads started as other parts of the forum, so by all means make a thread. And I just got done reading through all those posts and it seems like you were right on in starting it , if the models are right now in honing in on the major cutoff deal which does in fact, change the pattern. So kudos to you I say. I think some are being negative that its not making it snow in their region, and lets face it much of the posters are here for snow and winter mode only. The bottom line is the GFS did in fact sniff this out a while back, then the ensembles came around, the ECMWF came around GGEM came around, and it took them a while to do so, and of course until recently the op. GFS lost it and now brought it back, as it's prone to do. Also just because the Greenland block and -NAO hasn't formed and not showing any signs of staying power when it does, its still capable of a good storm and now that we have enough cold air later in the season, it probably will snow pretty decently under that cutoff, in spite of no support from a bad MJO phase, AO phase, NAO phase, or whatever else indicies that some think has to be present in order for it to happen first.Look what happend in the October storm. I noticed the midatlantic and NE posters kind of negative at the possibility because there wasn't good indicies for it. (even though I think it was -NAO around that time) The pattern all year has went against the grain, particularly here in the southeast. I mean look how wet TN and western Carolinas have been. And another major one is coming. Unbeknownst to the ECMWF a few days ago. Just as recently as middle of November we had a tornado outbreak, and the GFS was setting the table for that if you knew what to look for.

[Mr Bob]

Thanks for the support folks........My thread was merely to open up a discussion on a potential pattern change. I would have never guessed that it would turn into this. As far as Widreman's comment........I would expect no less from him, but to have a Met side with him and call you out for a long range run that you have posted and then turn around and post comments about the Euro long range weeklies is just wrong. Today is the first time I have ever put a Met on my ignore list. No offense to Lookout or Weather NC but the southeast forum is becoming just as bad as the other sub-forums and I never thought I would ever say that. Make no mistake, I will still post comments, but I will not start a thread in here again.

Glad you took my advice...but it is also a good idea to stop taking potshots at me if you don't want to engage in discussion with me...Thanks.

[GaWx]

I have no problem with a met or anyone else saying what someone posted was garbage that's fine but calling someone an idiot is rude, brash, and just wrong on a few levels.

This. Whatever happened to common decency/the Golden Rule, etc.? People who regularly do this kind of thing behind a keyboard but not in person are not decent people in my book. The true colors actually come out behind the keyboard where they feel safer to say what's on their mind/be honest. I've read where some others feel the opposite is true That's pure BS imo.

[BullCityWx]

Glad you took my advice...but it is also a good idea to stop taking potshots at me if you don't want to engage in discussion with me...Thanks.

This place isn't what it used to be

[WXinCanton]

Sure did get chippy in here. I didnt see any problem with thread, I liked it. At least the decent discussion and not the bickering over long range model etc...

[WeatherNC]

Thank you for taking this to banter guys, and expressing your points in a civilized manner using a tactful tone... I had no issue with CAD starting that thread, however, I did state that simply posting a 300-something hr GFS image from one run was ill advised. More substance would have been helpful to get the disco rolling, perhaps tele forecasts, solar stuff, MJO, long range ens means... Make no mistake though, anyone can start a thread, that is one of the things that makes this board so great, a place where amateurs and pros come together, and I don't want anyone too shy away from this going forward...

That being said, I have been through that thread numerous times to clean up crap posts, and keep drama from derailing it. Attack the idea, not the poster. I stated on pg 2 that I could see why folks would want a separate thread to discuss the long range, and if it remain civilized I would keep it open. There is a lot of good info in there, but also some unnecessary back and forth, blurring the idea vs poster line. We have a reputation of being one of the lesser drama subs on the board, and it is going to stay that way.

Again, I appreciate you taking this to banter, I don't think anyone blatantly broke any rules, however, it was taking on more of a personal nature, and that needs to stop.

If you don't want to here what someone has to say, I encourage folks to use the ignore feature, save yourself a headache and use it.

[GaWx]

The idea of regulars getting a pass regarding blatant name calling for no good reason may make sense only from the standpoint of regulars who don't have a history of doing it more than once in a blue moon...i.e., the idea that we're all human and will make mistakes from time to time. However, if a regular regularly does this, they shouldn't get a pass imo and should be called out on it regardless of their knowledge/overall quality of posts.

[strongwxnc]

And that is sad. Stating that you will not make another thread is not cool . I totally understand your point however.

Thanks for the support folks........My thread was merely to open up a discussion on a potential pattern change. I would have never guessed that it would turn into this. As far as Widreman's comment........I would expect no less from him, but to have a Met side with him and call you out for a long range run that you have posted and then turn around and post comments about the Euro long range weeklies is just wrong. Today is the first time I have ever put a Met on my ignore list. No offense to Lookout or Weather NC but the southeast forum is becoming just as bad as the other sub-forums and I never thought I would ever say that. Make no mistake, I will still post comments, but I will not start a thread in here again.

Banter.

It is also funny when people get pissy about messages posted on a online message forum.

Banter

[burgertime]

What rule did I break?

I thought it was a generally accepted rule that a thread shouldn't be made for something like one frame of a map? I mean that's typically been the case. I looked at the rules and didn't see anything on that specifically so I guess I was mistaken.

[NEGa]

Sure did get chippy in here. I didnt see any problem with thread, I liked it. At least the decent discussion and not the bickering over long range model etc...

I agree - and also with Roberts post. This is a wx board and we speculate. We are all waiting for a pattern change. If people don't like a thread there is nothing that makes them read that thread

I really hope it's not like this during the winter as the acrimonious comments really seem to be on the increase. IF all our threads are like this during the winter it's going to be a major downer

People please at least be decent and respectful. Nothing is wrong with valid dicsussion and disagreement. But bickering and fighting are not cool

[AcworthWx]

If I may comment being a newb, it seemed to me to be getting out of hand in the thread. Some of the things said lead me to believe that if you're not a Met, than you have no business posting anything weather related. It's hard enough trying to learn, but I and I'm sure others may feel that we aren't allowed to start threads. This is what has made me leave other BB's.

Just my .02, now back to my hole and reading and learning instead of posting.

[burgertime]

If I may comment being a newb, it seemed to me to be getting out of hand in the thread. Some of the things said lead me to believe that if you're not a Met, than you have no business posting anything weather related. It's hard enough trying to learn, but I and I'm sure others may feel that we aren't allowed to start threads. This is what has made me leave other BB's.

Just my .02, now back to my hole and reading and learning instead of posting.

It's not that at all. It was just a kind of useless post to a lot of people around here that's all. I'm not a met and post all the time. Hell I screw a lot up too when I do my PBP and have been called on it a few times. So I just try to learn as much as I can and move on. This is just your typical family squabble. It happens a few times during winter and I'm sure hurricane season if I were around .

[FallsLake]

Everybody is complaining about the lack of winter; well I camped out with my son last night in our popup camper and about 3am it was full time winter. I froze my butt off. It's all relevant.

[pcbjr]

Hi SE Folks!

Been hiking the AT for 8 days (N. Ga into NC) and just got back to a computer. (if you ever want to regain sanity - leave civilization, the internet and cell phones for a week!).

After a 12 hour drive and a bit of food and a brew - no time to or energy to read 8 days worth of posts and such ...

Can anyone either prove a quick synopsis going forward or a link with a good nuts and bolts discussion of where we are pattern wise going in to next month?

Thanks in advance, and a belated Happy Thanksgiving to all!

[AcworthWx]

It's not that at all. It was just a kind of useless post to a lot of people around here that's all. I'm not a met and post all the time. Hell I screw a lot up too when I do my PBP and have been called on it a few times. So I just try to learn as much as I can and move on. This is just your typical family squabble. It happens a few times during winter and I'm sure hurricane season if I were around .

Useless post/thread or not, name calling is uncalled for by anyone and has no place here or in society. Why is there sooooo much fear about discussion of a subject, whether you believe in it or not? Last I checked, weather forecasting was not an exact science. Without discussion, it will become stagnant and will not advance. You get alot of leeway without being a Met. Me on the other hand, probably never. Even Lookout alluded to the disparity of what should be posted by most of us weenies. IMHO, there is just WAY too much "This is my ball and you can't play with it, so leave" attitude from Mets or weenies. I want to learn so that I can engage in the discussions, no matter how trivial others may think it is. ATM, I really have no desire to get ridiculed, belittled, or personally attacked by trying to join in on any of the discussions.

Oh well, back to my hole I go.

Sorry for the rant.

[LithiaWx]

Useless post/thread or not, name calling is uncalled for by anyone and has no place here or in society. Why is there sooooo much fear about discussion of a subject, whether you believe in it or not? Last I checked, weather forecasting was not an exact science. Without discussion, it will become stagnant and will not advance. You get alot of leeway without being a Met. Me on the other hand, probably never. Even Lookout alluded to the disparity of what should be posted by most of us weenies. IMHO, there is just WAY too much "This is my ball and you can't play with it, so leave" attitude from Mets or weenies. I want to learn so that I can engage in the discussions, no matter how trivial others may think it is. ATM, I really have no desire to get ridiculed, belittled, or personally attacked by trying to join in on any of the discussions.

Oh well, back to my hole I go.

Sorry for the rant.

It's quite tame compared to how it is in other sections of this forum. It seems like the mods and admins cleaned up quite a bit of the type of crap you are describing in the main weather forums section of the board. There used to be trolling and ridiculing all the time, causing posters to not even bother posting because of fear of getting trolled or ridiculed by the same rude, obnoxious people. Also I would not venture into the OT or PR sections of this place either as that's where the problem makers are residing now. At least the mods are aware of the situation and appear to me to be cleaning this place up. Be glad you are a southeast poster the problems you described are very minor in here compared to before (in the main forum) and other sub-forums of the board. I agree with the premise of your post but in general I think you are blowing it out of proportion a tad. Maybe that's because I've seen how this place was a few months ago and now it just seems much, better. That said the SE forums have really never had a problem like you are describing since my stay here. Lastly I think everything you described is attributed to a few problem children and nothing more than that (at least on the SE side of things). 99% of us are good decent people and burger is one of them.

[EmersonGA]

What happened to the good old days when the only squabbles we had were about where north georgia is. I say I-20 north. :-)

Go Jackets!!