Dsnowx53 Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 Without a doubt, this is a HECS. Especially with all of the power outages we have seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
famartin Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 I thought HECS also stood for the amount of ppl severely impacted by winter weather? This storm qualifies that criteria and it isnt even close.. Going absolutely by the NESIS scale only, it might not be that high. Granted, millions of people are without power, but NESIS works by seeing how many people's residences got such and such amount of snow. On that absolute basis, then it will probably rate fairly low on NESIS. But NESIS isn't the only quality which gets storms into KU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgwp96 Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 Doesn't "H" mean Historical? If so, then yea this qualifies. You'll remember this storm the rest of your life even if you only got 4 inches of snow. you are right, 8 inches of snow would normally not be a big deal but being a wet snow and plenty of leaves on the trees i have never seen so much tree damage in any other snowstorm in my lifetime. At a point yesterday afternoon if you went outside all you could hear was the poping and snapping of trees and branches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earthlight Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 the damage impacts, the occasional 20+ totals, the date of the storm, the records broken....I would be shocked of it wasn't in the KU book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundog Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 the damage impacts, the occasional 20+ totals, the date of the storm, the records broken....I would be shocked of it wasn't in the KU book. I completely agree. It's a shoe-in IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 The amounts of snowfall are not that much, and it probably wouldn't close schools if it happened on a weekday. The only thing that makes it historic is that it happened in October. Would you consider this a HECS, lumped in with the great storms like the Blizzard of 96, PDII, Boxing Day Blizzard, etc. Not sure. My area got 20-31" of snow, but this is pretty rural, so the impact from that is low My son has no school, nor does the district I work in. Hundreds of thousands without power. I vote no, but it is close and historic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weathergun Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 I would consider it a HECS for October. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundog Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 What would qualify as a BECS? A snowstorm in September? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
famartin Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 What would qualify as a BECS? A snowstorm in September? No, it would have to be a blizcane in August to be a BECS (a hurricane that transforms into a blizzard) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgwp96 Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 wow , its the day after and numerous school districts are closed for tomorrow. Tells you the amount of damage towns have experienced Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocoAko Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 The amounts of snowfall are not that much, and it probably wouldn't close schools if it happened on a weekday. The only thing that makes it historic is that it happened in October. Would you consider this a HECS, lumped in with the great storms like the Blizzard of 96, PDII, Boxing Day Blizzard, etc. I guess you haven't heard about the numerous school districts all around the region who canceled school for Monday, two days after the event? ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RU848789 Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 the damage impacts, the occasional 20+ totals, the date of the storm, the records broken....I would be shocked of it wasn't in the KU book. If we're talking purely about snowfall amounts across a wide area and especially for the big cities/populations, it's probably borderline. However even in areas that "only" saw 4-6", like we did in the Edison/Metuchen area and much of the I-95 corridor, it was the equivalent of 8-12" of "typical" snowfall, in that the bulk density was only 5" snow per inch of water instead of the typical 10" of snow per inch of water. That, combined with the incredible impact of the heavy wet snow on the trees still full of leaves definitely makes it both "historic" and a KU storm in my book. We got about 5" here and this storm probably had more impact in our town than all but the biggest blizzards we've had over the years - the entire borough was in a state of emergency with everyone contacted by automated phone calls imploring them to stay in their houses and not be out walking or driving - literally hundreds of trees and thousands of branches are down all over, blocking roads, bringing down power lines, and making travel a mess. We have about 6-8 huge branches down, including one that brought down a power line, which, fortunately, had enough slack in it not to short-circuit, so we never lost power, but much of the rest of the town did lose power. School absolutely would've been closed yesterday and today; school will probably be open tomorrow, though, as they've cleared the streets pretty well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
famartin Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 If we're talking purely about snowfall amounts across a wide area and especially for the big cities/populations, it's probably borderline. However even in areas that "only" saw 4-6", like we did in the Edison/Metuchen area and much of the I-95 corridor, it was the equivalent of 8-12" of "typical" snowfall, in that the bulk density was only 5" snow per inch of water instead of the typical 10" of snow per inch of water. That, combined with the incredible impact of the heavy wet snow on the trees still full of leaves definitely makes it both "historic" and a KU storm in my book. We got about 5" here and this storm probably had more impact in our town than all but the biggest blizzards we've had over the years - the entire borough was in a state of emergency with everyone contacted by automated phone calls imploring them to stay in their houses and not be out walking or driving - literally hundreds of trees and thousands of branches are down all over, blocking roads, bringing down power lines, and making travel a mess. We have about 6-8 huge branches down, including one that brought down a power line, which, fortunately, had enough slack in it not to short-circuit, so we never lost power, but much of the rest of the town did lose power. School absolutely would've been closed yesterday and today; school will probably be open tomorrow, though, as they've cleared the streets pretty well. I don't think schools along I-95 would've closed yesterday. Since most forecasts were for 1-3 inches (or less) along I-95, and snow didn't start until after school started, I think most schools along I-95 would've opened if Saturday had been a school day. Many might have let out early, however. Today, any town which had significant power loss may have been closed, especially if the facilities themselves had lost power. Those without huge power outages (Ewing among them) probably would've had a delayed opening (since some side roads were quite icy early this morning). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JERSEYSNOWROB Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 We will probably never see another snowstorm like this in October again in our LIFETIME! Yeah I'd say this was historic. Absolutely incredible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OKpowdah Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 This storm is the definition of HECS in my opinion. No doubt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momza Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 The only thing that makes it historic is that it happened in October. Isn't that enough? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ababa Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 The only thing that makes it historic is because it is oct? Are u kidding? Ct had the most power outages ever in a storm! The gov of ct is asking for federal disaster aid. Nj declared a state of emergency with 500k without power. I wanted to get the full expierence of the storm and went to northern passaic to take it in....every 30 seconds you heard branches snapping. It was surrieal and ill never root for october snow again....12 inches of snow and full leaves on the trees is a horrible combo. This was a hecs on its own merit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snywx Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 wow , its the day after and numerous school districts are closed for tomorrow. Tells you the amount of damage towns have experienced 75% of school districts in Orange County are closed and the rest are on delays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgwp96 Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 75% of school districts in Orange County are closed and the rest are on delays. i havent heard off any open for tomorrow yet lol. This is crazy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUNNAWAYICEBERG Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 this is by far a HECS. it doesnt matter that there wasnt HECS totals in every one of your backyards. http://www.hpc.ncep.noaa.gov/discussions/nfdscc2.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wxman Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 HECS! This was the most devastating storm in all my 40+ years in NJ. I just got my power back. The area is still a mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorEaster27 Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 HECS easy, one of the biggest over the past 150 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJwinter23 Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 definitely a HECS people! http://www.examiner.com/weather-in-newark/trying-to-explain-the-historic-snow-tober-and-the-extreme-weather-of-late Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnoSki14 Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 This was definitely a HECS, I didn't see power outages but just a few miles north and west where some friends of mine live, saw 4-6 inches of snow, had power out for days, had and still have large branches down all over the places, it was a mess. There was probably more damage in the October snowstorm than there would usually be in a major storm in the winter. Even some of the HECS storms of the past few years didn't have as much damage as this one did. The storm in many places was worse than Irene was when it comes to tree damage and power outages, probably the worst storm in many years. To me, 4-6" in late October is equivalent to 2 feet or more in a HECS snowstorm/blizzard in the winter so this is definitely a once in a lifetime HECS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormlover74 Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 I can't believe while watching the news this morning how many schools are still out or delayed 6 days later. And some which are only 5 to 10 miles from me. This was definitely a HECS, I didn't see power outages but just a few miles north and west where some friends of mine live, saw 4-6 inches of snow, had power out for days, had and still have large branches down all over the places, it was a mess. There was probably more damage in the October snowstorm than there would usually be in a major storm in the winter. Even some of the HECS storms of the past few years didn't have as much damage as this one did. The storm in many places was worse than Irene was when it comes to tree damage and power outages, probably the worst storm in many years. To me, 4-6" in late October is equivalent to 2 feet or more in a HECS snowstorm/blizzard in the winter so this is definitely a once in a lifetime HECS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strongbad Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 Great article to read when you all have the chance. This kind of helps put our October snowstorm into perspective. HECS? Absolutely! Unprecedented? Depends on what timescale you follow... http://icecap.us/images/uploads/Late_October_snowstorm_not_unique.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tornadojay Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 Have to agree... definitely a HECS.. this is a textbook KU early season storm for the record books.. hope to see it in the next volume. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBG Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 Have to agree... definitely a HECS.. this is a textbook KU early season storm for the record books.. hope to see it in the next volume. Any idea when that's due? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amped Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 It'll be in KU, for sure. So, if by "KU event" you mean storms that are in KU, then it absolutely is. Yeah KU has an early and late season section, which it definitely qualifies for comparing it to the other events in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozz Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 Impressive for October for sure, and certainly a good early season KU, but there's no way that this is a HECS that will be compared to January 96, PDII, Feb 1978, or Dec 2010. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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