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Plains/Intermountain West November 4/6 Possible Winter Storm


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The EC/GFS continue to suggest a rather unusual Colorado Low track, but I would take it in a heart beat. Most track much farther SE more along the MN/IA border, but the orientation of the baroclinic zone and the relative extremity of the amplitude of the long wave result in a rapid intensification a bit farther W.

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The EC/GFS continue to suggest a rather unusual Colorado Low track, but I would take it in a heart beat. Most track much farther SE more along the MN/IA border, but the orientation of the baroclinic zone and the relative extremity of the amplitude of the long wave result in a rapid intensification a bit farther W.

The GFS is rain for me then i get dry slotted followed by a brief period of backend snow...6 days out so it could track a bit further SE. Fun model watching the next few days.

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The GFS is rain for me then i get dry slotted followed by a brief period of backend snow...6 days out so it could track a bit further SE. Fun model watching the next few days.

I will take any storm. Currently I am not hoping for any snow, just a storm. Given the setup I doubt snow would make it to the cities.

Weather pron.

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The EC/GFS continue to suggest a rather unusual Colorado Low track, but I would take it in a heart beat. Most track much farther SE more along the MN/IA border, but the orientation of the baroclinic zone and the relative extremity of the amplitude of the long wave result in a rapid intensification a bit farther W.

979mb into southern MN, wow.

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A Colorado to Minnisota. I know these are the type of systems that sometimes bring tornado outbreaks. Does this one have any potential?

SHEAR PROFILES AS WELL AS FORCING WITH THIS

SYSTEM...AS CURRENTLY PROGGED...WOULD CERTAINLY FAVOR AN EXPANSIVE

AREA OF SEVERE POTENTIAL INCLUDING N TX...OK...KS...AR...MO.

DAMAGING WINDS AND TORNADOES WOULD BE THE MAIN THREATS WITH SUCH

STRONG WIND FIELDS. HOWEVER...GIVEN THIS EVENT IS 7 DAYS

OUT...AFOREMENTIONED PREDICTABILITY ISSUES WITH TROUGH TIMING AND

MOISTURE RETURN WILL FORESTALL ANY SEVERE AREAS UNTIL LATER

OUTLOOKS.

http://www.americanwx.com/bb/index.php/topic/28678-severe-weather-thread-november-2/

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The EC/GFS continue to suggest a rather unusual Colorado Low track, but I would take it in a heart beat. Most track much farther SE more along the MN/IA border, but the orientation of the baroclinic zone and the relative extremity of the amplitude of the long wave result in a rapid intensification a bit farther W.

12z CMC a bit further SE this run...L from nw IA to n WI at 168.

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Interesting to read that FGF puts more weight on the dgex/fim models over the ecmwf...not often that you read about those 2 models in a AFD. ABR just to their south has totally the opposite...gotta love it.

AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION

NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE GRAND FORKS ND

310 PM CDT SUN OCT 30 2011

.LONG TERM (WEDNESDAY NIGHT-SATURDAY)...THE MAIN CHALLENGE IN THE

LONG TERM IS THE POSSIBLE LARGE STORM SYSTEM THAT COULD AFFECT THE

NORTHERN PLAINS LATE THIS WEEK AND OVER THE WEEKEND. THERE IS

CURRENTLY AN UPPER LEVEL LOW OVER THE BERING SEA THAT IS

APPROACHING THE ALEUTIAN ISLANDS OF ALASKA. THE MODELS ARE

INDICATING THIS LOW WILL BECOME AN UPPER LEVEL TROUGH THAT WILL

MOVE INTO THE WESTERN LOWER 48 LATER THIS WEEK. THE MODELS HAVE

BEEN SHOWING FOR AT LEAST THE LAST 24 HOURS A SURFACE LOW PRESSURE

SYSTEM THEN FORMING IN THE COLORADO AREA AROUND FRIDAY.

HOWEVER...THERE IS STILL UNCERTAINTY WITH THE TRACK AND TIMING OF

THIS SYSTEM AS IT MOVES INTO THE NORTH CENTRAL U.S LATE THIS WEEK

AND OVER THE WEEKEND. THE CONSENSUS HAS BEEN TO TAKE THIS STRONG

LOW THROUGH THE CENTRAL PLAINS AND UPPER MIDWEST FRIDAY THROUGH

SUNDAY...BUT THE LATEST ECMWF IS MUCH SLOWER AND WEST THAN THE

OTHER MODELS. THE TRACK OF THIS LOW COULD MEAN THE DIFFERENCE OF A

SIGNIFICANT WINTER STORM FOR THE NORTHERN PLAINS...OR JUST SOME

RAIN AND WIND. THERE HAS BEEN SOME GREATER CONSISTENCY WITH THE

GFS/DGEX/FIM MODEL RUNS RATHER THAN THE ECMWF...SO LEANED ON THE

FORMER FOR THIS FORECAST. WE WILL NEED TO KEEP A CLOSE EYE ON THIS

SYSTEM IN THE COMING DAYS.

AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION

NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE ABERDEEN SD

331 PM CDT SUN OCT 30 2011

THE WEEKEND FORECAST IS IN FAIRLY LOW CONFIDENCE AT THIS POINT.

THOUGH MODELS HAVE BEEN CONSISTENT IN DIGGING A DEEP UPPER TROF

INTO THE ROCKIES AND THEN INTO THE PLAINS AT THE END OF THE WEEK

TIMING AND EXACT POSITION OF THE STACKED LOW REMAIN IN QUESTION.

THESE DISCREPANCIES BETWEEN THE MODELS...EC FARTHER WEST OVER THE

DAKOTAS AND SLOWER WHILE THE GFS IS QUICKER AND MOVES THE LOW OVER

MN...WILL PRODUCE SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCES IN THE SENSIBLE WEATHER.

THE EC SOLUTION LENDS ITSELF TO A DRY SLOT AND MUCH WARMER

TEMPS...POSSIBLY KEEPING THE PRECIP MOSTLY RAIN. THE GFS SOLUTION

ON THE OTHER HAND BRINGS DOWN ENOUGH COLD AIR TO PRODUCE SOME

SIGNIFICANT SNOW ACROSS MUCH OF THE REGION AND GUSTIER WINDS. THE

CONSENSUS FORECAST TODAY LEANS MORE TOWARD THE ECMWF POSITION WITH

THE GFS TIMING...SO QUICKER BUT WARMER. WILL NEED TO WATCH AND

WAIT TO SEE HOW CONSISTENT THIS SOLUTION REMAINS.

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I've been eagerly awaiting my first snowfall since moving out here and since I'll be out of town this weekend you can take it to the bank. In all seriousness though the model agreement for this far out is impressive, I don't think it's a question of will there be a storm as much as how strong it may be and where the best action will occur.

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Want to see why there is such a difference between the 18Z and 12Z GFS? Moisture return and the process of rapid cyclogenesis through moist latent heat release. ECMWF has always been weaker since it had a much stronger day 3+ intermountain W wave and associated cold front. The return flow low level trajectories off the GOM were much less robust than the strong GFS runs. 18Z GFS finally caught a clue of reality with the day 3+ wave, and here are the results.

12Z GFS 925 theta-e:

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18Z GFS 925 theta-e:

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Moist latent heat release is important, and an "open" GOM is very important on rapid intensification. While I was "hoping" for a GFS bomb run, a more realistic scenario was more ECMWF like since it was advertising a much beefier ejecting cutoff low out of the intermountain W (as was the NAM/CMC). Oh well.

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