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Dec 11-13 MW/Lakes/OV snow event part 4


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This is fascinating to watch.

My guess is that as the cA boundary and snowpack effects are analyzed every run, the bias is corrected, hence these very slow, small south adjustments every run. Part of the reason we're not seeing this on the RGEM and GGEM is because they both seemed to be a bit more aggressive with the cold air dome. Perhaps this is something in the model scheme? We saw this a couple of times last year too.

Very fascinating, they keep shifting south but keep coming in more intense. The GFS shifted south again with the surface track but the 36 hour qpf is shifted well W and a tad north. Hopefully 0Z will settle on a solution. Very odd because current surface analysis is still N of all solutions and also more intense. Something will have to give sooner or later.

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ya, im about 500 meters away give or take. The QEW is also maybe at max 1km north of me. you know how everyone says north of the 401 gets the good snows everyone south gets mix. well for me i can take that one further lol. everyone north of the QEW at least gets the sloppy 5-10cm while i get rain with a bit of wet snow.

Yeah, you're right on the lakeshore aren't you? E-SE winds'll be ripping so yeah, you might have bigger bl temp issues there. Although if the 18z NAM is right, I'm not going to be much better off here.

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LONG TERM

...POTENTIAL BLIZZARD SATURDAY NIGHT THROUGH SUNDAY IS THE MAIN

FOCUS...THEN WELL BELOW NORMAL TEMPERATURES.

OVERVIEW...MODEL INITIALIZATION GOOD TO EXCELLENT AND VERIFICATION

AT 18Z SUPPORTS USING A BLEND OF HI-RES ECMWF...UKMET...GEM-NH AND

18Z NAM-WRF. THIS RESULTS IN A RAPIDLY DEEPENING STORM SYSTEM

PASSING THROUGH THE FORECAST AREA WITH A DEEP OCCLUSION BY SUNDAY

MORNING. TRENDS SUGGEST SOME FURTHER CHANGES EXPECTED IN RUNS NEXT

24 HOURS WITH POSSIBLY A TIGHTER RATE OF OCCLUSION AND ALSO A

SLIGHT FURTHER SOUTH TRACK TO THE SFC LOW. ALL SOLUTIONS SUPPORT

POTENTIAL BLIZZARD CONDITIONS DEVELOPING SATURDAY NIGHT AND

LASTING THROUGH SUNDAY. THUS A BLIZZARD WATCH WILL BE ISSUED WITH

THIS PACKAGE FOR THE ENTIRE FORECAST AREA.

SATURDAY NIGHT THROUGH SUNDAY...OVER A HALF DOZEN TECHNIQUES USED

ON ALL SOLUTIONS SUPPORT 12 HOURS OR MORE OF NW WINDS OF 35 TO 50

MPH DEVELOPING WITH GUSTS TO AROUND 60 MPH POSSIBLE. SOME TECHNIQUES

SUGGEST ISOLATED GUSTS APPROACHING 70 MPH ARE NOT OUT OF THE

QUESTION. THE DEEPENING OCCLUSION WILL MAKE FOR A STRONGER

DEFORMATION ZONE WHICH ALL BUT HI-RES ECMWF AND GEM-NH ARE

UNDERPLAYING. THE NEXT COUPLE OF RUNS OF THE OTHER MODELS BASED ON

THEIR BIASES LIKELY WILL BE HEAVIER ON QPF AMOUNTS AS THE RATE OF

OCCLUSION IS BETTER CAPTURED. INTENSE CAA IN DEFORMATION ZONE WILL

RESULT IN A POWDERY SNOW THAT IS IDEAL FOR BLOWING IN HIGH WINDS.

LOCAL TOOLS AND TECHNIQUES SUGGEST MOST THE FORECAST AREA IS SLATED

TO PICK UP 2 TO 3 INCHES OR MORE...WITH LOCALLY UP TO 5 INCHES IN

NARROW BANDS BY LATE SUNDAY MORNING. IF THE SYSTEM CONTINUES TO

DEEPEN AND SLOW AS OFTEN IS THE CASE...BLIZZARD CONDITIONS COULD LAST

INTO SUNDAY EVENING. WIND CHILLS WILL FALL TO 15 TO 30 BELOW ZERO BY

DAYBREAK SUNDAY AND CHANGE LITTLE DUE TO STEADY TEMPERATURES AND

CONTINUED HIGH WINDS.

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I have heard all day how Chicago was getting massively dry slotted :)

Yeah with the further south track northside would prob not get in on the dryslot.....mchenry county etc.

pretty close to it anyway.

GFS here shows maybe 1-2" of powdery fluff, thinking conservative I'll say a dusting to an inch right now, but will be following it as much as i can.

Yeah prob the best way to play it, being that you would be on the tail end of the defo band.....still the trend seems to be rampen it up as it swings through

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wow DVN

LONG TERM

...POTENTIAL BLIZZARD SATURDAY NIGHT THROUGH SUNDAY IS THE MAIN

FOCUS...THEN WELL BELOW NORMAL TEMPERATURES.

OVERVIEW...MODEL INITIALIZATION GOOD TO EXCELLENT AND VERIFICATION

AT 18Z SUPPORTS USING A BLEND OF HI-RES ECMWF...UKMET...GEM-NH AND

18Z NAM-WRF. THIS RESULTS IN A RAPIDLY DEEPENING STORM SYSTEM

PASSING THROUGH THE FORECAST AREA WITH A DEEP OCCLUSION BY SUNDAY

MORNING. TRENDS SUGGEST SOME FURTHER CHANGES EXPECTED IN RUNS NEXT

24 HOURS WITH POSSIBLY A TIGHTER RATE OF OCCLUSION AND ALSO A

SLIGHT FURTHER SOUTH TRACK TO THE SFC LOW. ALL SOLUTIONS SUPPORT

POTENTIAL BLIZZARD CONDITIONS DEVELOPING SATURDAY NIGHT AND

LASTING THROUGH SUNDAY. THUS A BLIZZARD WATCH WILL BE ISSUED WITH

THIS PACKAGE FOR THE ENTIRE FORECAST AREA.

SATURDAY NIGHT THROUGH SUNDAY...OVER A HALF DOZEN TECHNIQUES USED

ON ALL SOLUTIONS SUPPORT 12 HOURS OR MORE OF NW WINDS OF 35 TO 50

MPH DEVELOPING WITH GUSTS TO AROUND 60 MPH POSSIBLE. SOME TECHNIQUES

SUGGEST ISOLATED GUSTS APPROACHING 70 MPH ARE NOT OUT OF THE

QUESTION. THE DEEPENING OCCLUSION WILL MAKE FOR A STRONGER

DEFORMATION ZONE WHICH ALL BUT HI-RES ECMWF AND GEM-NH ARE

UNDERPLAYING. THE NEXT COUPLE OF RUNS OF THE OTHER MODELS BASED ON

THEIR BIASES LIKELY WILL BE HEAVIER ON QPF AMOUNTS AS THE RATE OF

OCCLUSION IS BETTER CAPTURED. INTENSE CAA IN DEFORMATION ZONE WILL

RESULT IN A POWDERY SNOW THAT IS IDEAL FOR BLOWING IN HIGH WINDS.

LOCAL TOOLS AND TECHNIQUES SUGGEST MOST THE FORECAST AREA IS SLATED

TO PICK UP 2 TO 3 INCHES OR MORE...WITH LOCALLY UP TO 5 INCHES IN

NARROW BANDS BY LATE SUNDAY MORNING. IF THE SYSTEM CONTINUES TO

DEEPEN AND SLOW AS OFTEN IS THE CASE...BLIZZARD CONDITIONS COULD LAST

INTO SUNDAY EVENING. WIND CHILLS WILL FALL TO 15 TO 30 BELOW ZERO BY

DAYBREAK SUNDAY AND CHANGE LITTLE DUE TO STEADY TEMPERATURES AND

CONTINUED HIGH WINDS.

I'm really sorry, I know some areas, but where is DVN.

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SATURDAY NIGHT THROUGH SUNDAY...OVER A HALF DOZEN TECHNIQUES USED

ON ALL SOLUTIONS SUPPORT 12 HOURS OR MORE OF NW WINDS OF 35 TO 50

MPH DEVELOPING WITH GUSTS TO AROUND 60 MPH POSSIBLE. SOME TECHNIQUES

SUGGEST ISOLATED GUSTS APPROACHING 70 MPH ARE NOT OUT OF THE

QUESTION.

Our office rule of thumb is the number of isobars (standard 4 mb analysis) across the state of Iowa multiplied by 10. The models are trying to pack 7 isobars there.

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Pretty close, GFS/NAM both develop potential for 62-65 to mix down, I think 60 would be a more realistic call though. I don't see a chance for 70 unless this deepens even more and the low level wind field strengthens.

Which probably isn't out of the question considering the trends. Just looking at BUFKIT out there easily supports gusts over 50 mph. 70 mph could be pushing it but to be fair they did say isolated.

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Our office rule of thumb is the number of isobars (standard 4 mb analysis) across the state of Iowa multiplied by 10. The models are trying to pack 7 isobars there.

whistle.gif Haha, I find that really funny. Is that the scientific way of figuring it out?

BTW, not an attack or anything, just think its funny that METS would figure that out, and figure it out in a simple manner such as that.

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A LOADED DOG!

If the 0z confirms, that will be the celery salt...then it's a loaded dog.

Chicago style weenie jokes aside. I'm excited by the run and slow shifts south throughout the day, but the idea of south and stronger is a hard pill to swallow. I can't imagine the shallow snow packing would have that much influence.

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18z GFS is the mustard, neon relish and sport peppers to my Chicago weenie.

Trends are looking better for you. Just talked to my sister around Milwaukee...I took the plunge on a slightly more southern track and said that I anticipate MKE (she works at the airport) to have severely restricted operations at best on Sunday and possibly shut down. Of course the trends should continue to be watched very closely but it seems like the north one has been halted right now.

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Which probably isn't out of the question considering the trends. Just looking at BUFKIT out there easily supports gusts over 50 mph. 70 mph could be pushing it but to be fair they did say isolated.

And the stronger these models come in the more impressive the def zone/TROWAL features will be.

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whistle.gif Haha, I find that really funny. Is that the scientific way of figuring it out?

BTW, not an attack or anything, just think its funny that METS would figure that out, and figure it out in a simple manner such as that.

Well that's why it's a rule of thumb and not the forecast. But it works pretty well.

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