Digger Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 What really sent Ivan's flooding over the top was it being preceded by the remnants of hurricane Frances delivering similar amounts less than a week prior. Fortunately we haven't been all that wet up to this point lately, but still.. that much rain around here would deliver big problems. Thanks. I hadn't remembered Frances until you mentioned it. Still, I'm also remembering that out here (Hopewell Twp.) Green Garden Plaza, (which is the strip mall down by the Aliquippa exit off 376), had about 7 feet of water in the Giant Eagle from Ivan, but in another storm (I think something more localized) a year or two earlier, it had flooded as well. Something on the order of a couple of feet. The point being, of course, that I concur that Sandy could still be pretty disruptive locally, if things play out anywhere near the scenarios that seem to currently be on the table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackngoldrules Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 And the GFS takes the low to Erie...I don't know what sfc temps are, but looking at it, it would be the most epic blizzard we have ever experienced.... Looks like that was just one off run for the GFS in terms of temperatures. It overdid the cold air for us with that run. It's last two runs have us back to a mostly rain event, which is what we're likely to see. If Sandy could track into New York instead, then we'd at least have a better shot at some snow. Looks like the mountains of WV and western Virginia have a good shot at getting some heavy snow as of now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwilson Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 For now I think they predict the snow level to stay above 2,500 ft. It might be cold but at the surface, as far as I can tell right now, snow doesn't seem likely given the warm lower level. I guess it really depends just how deep the central pressure gets and how much cold air it can create. Even down here I'm not immediately concerned about snow, just a cold rain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paweatherguy1 Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 I wonder if jeff v is still saying this will be a low impact event? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RitualOfTheTrout Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 I'd put flooding as the first concern for us, then with the winds there will likely be some power outages which with the marginally cold temps will be a problem for folks if it lasts a couple days with no power. I'm not sure the lower elevations would even see big snow given a "perfect track" so to speak with this one. It does suck to see all that qpf and know its rain! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meatwad Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 URGENT - WEATHER MESSAGE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE PITTSBURGH PA 347 PM EDT SAT OCT 27 2012 ...HIGH WIND WATCH MONDAY AFTERNOON THROUGH DAYTIME TUESDAY... .IF HURRICANE SANDY TURNS NORTHWESTWARD TOWARD THE STALLED COLD FRONT ALONG THE APPALACHIAN MOUNTAINS LATE MONDAY INTO TUESDAY...HIGH WINDS MAY RESULT. MDZ001-OHZ039>041-048>050-057>059-068-069-PAZ007>009-013>016- 020>023-029-031-073>076-WVZ001>004-012-021>023-041-280400- /O.NEW.KPBZ.HW.A.0002.121029T1600Z-121030T2300Z/ GARRETT-TUSCARAWAS-CARROLL-COLUMBIANA-COSHOCTON-HARRISON- JEFFERSON OH-MUSKINGUM-GUERNSEY-BELMONT-NOBLE-MONROE-MERCER- VENANGO-FOREST-LAWRENCE-BUTLER-CLARION-JEFFERSON PA-BEAVER- ALLEGHENY-ARMSTRONG-INDIANA-WASHINGTON-GREENE-WESTMORELAND- WESTMORELAND RIDGES-FAYETTE-FAYETTE RIDGES-HANCOCK-BROOKE-OHIO- MARSHALL-WETZEL-MARION-MONONGALIA-PRESTON-TUCKER- INCLUDING THE CITIES OF...OAKLAND MD...GRANTSVILLE... NEW PHILADELPHIA...DOVER...UHRICHSVILLE...CARROLLTON... EAST LIVERPOOL...SALEM...COLUMBIANA...EAST PALESTINE... WELLSVILLE...CALCUTTA...COSHOCTON...CADIZ...HOPEDALE... STEUBENVILLE...ZANESVILLE...CAMBRIDGE...MARTINS FERRY... ST. CLAIRSVILLE...BELLAIRE...BARNESVILLE...SHADYSIDE... BRIDGEPORT...CALDWELL...WOODSFIELD...SHARON...HERMITAGE... GROVE CITY...GREENVILLE...FARRELL...OIL CITY...FRANKLIN... SUGARCREEK...TIONESTA...NEW CASTLE...ELLWOOD CITY...BUTLER... ZELIENOPLE...CLARION...PUNXSUTAWNEY...BROOKVILLE... REYNOLDSVILLE...BROCKWAY...ALIQUIPPA...BEAVER FALLS...AMBRIDGE... MONACA...BEAVER...PITTSBURGH METRO AREA...KITTANNING... FORD CITY...LEECHBURG...FREEPORT...APOLLO...INDIANA... WASHINGTON...CANONSBURG...DONORA...CALIFORNIA...CHARLEROI... MONONGAHELA...MCMURRAY...WAYNESBURG...FAIRDALE...GREENSBURG... NEW KENSINGTON...JEANNETTE...LATROBE...MONESSEN...LIGONIER... DONEGAL...NEW FLORENCE...ACME...CHAMPION...UNIONTOWN... CONNELLSVILLE...POINT MARION...NORMALVILLE...FARMINGTON... OHIOPYLE...MARKLEYSBURG...WEIRTON...BETHANY...WHEELING... MOUNDSVILLE...NEW MARTINSVILLE...FAIRMONT...MORGANTOWN... KINGWOOD...TERRA ALTA...PARSONS...DAVIS...THOMAS 347 PM EDT SAT OCT 27 2012 ...HIGH WIND WATCH IN EFFECT FROM MONDAY AFTERNOON THROUGH TUESDAY EVENING... THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN PITTSBURGH HAS ISSUED A HIGH WIND WATCH...WHICH IS IN EFFECT FROM MONDAY AFTERNOON THROUGH TUESDAY EVENING. * HAZARDS...POSSIBLE WIND GUSTS OVER 58 MPH. * WINDS...NORTHWEST 20 TO 30 MPH WITH GUSTS OF 50 TO 60 MPH. * TIMING...MONDAY AFTERNOON AND NIGHT AND DAYTIME TUESDAY. * IMPACTS...STRONG GUSTY WINDS COULD BRING DOWN TREES AND POWER LINES. USE EXTREME CAUTION WHEN DRIVING...ESPECIALLY OVER BRIDGES AND OVERPASSES. PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS... A HIGH WIND WATCH MEANS THERE IS THE POTENTIAL FOR A HAZARDOUS HIGH WIND EVENT. SUSTAINED WINDS OF AT LEAST 40 MPH...OR GUSTS OF 58 MPH OR STRONGER MAY OCCUR. CONTINUE TO MONITOR THE LATEST FORECASTS. && $$ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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blackngoldrules Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 I'm not sure this has been brought up yet or not, but I wonder if we can make a run at the all time lowest pressure for the area? The record lowest barometric pressure for Pittsburgh is 28.59" or 968mb set on 1/12/1964. The 18z GFS has the pressure at 956mb over central PA. It's hard to see all of the millibars but it looks like we'd be at 968mb at that point. When the low is practically on our doorstep it shows 966mb. Of course, this is all based on one run of the GFS which has changed a million times now. Anyway, I guess it's something to keep an eye on as the storm gets closer. I at least anticipate seeing my barometer go lower than it's ever gone before by far......as long as the storm tracks this way anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digger Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 I'm not sure this has been brought up yet or not, but I wonder if we can make a run at the all time lowest pressure for the area? Hmmm. Maybe if we can get everybody to inhale at the same time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolling Snowed Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 I'm not sure this has been brought up yet or not, but I wonder if we can make a run at the all time lowest pressure for the area? The record lowest barometric pressure for Pittsburgh is 28.59" or 968mb set on 1/12/1964. The 18z GFS has the pressure at 956mb over central PA. It's hard to see all of the millibars but it looks like we'd be at 968mb at that point. When the low is practically on our doorstep it shows 966mb. Of course, this is all based on one run of the GFS which has changed a million times now. Anyway, I guess it's something to keep an eye on as the storm gets closer. I at least anticipate seeing my barometer go lower than it's ever gone before by far......as long as the storm tracks this way anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolling Snowed Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 Thanks for looking this up...I had been thinking this record had a chance of being broken. We will see...looks like another 24-30 hrs until the rain and wind increase tomorrow afternoon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChalkHillSnowNut Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 It's been so quiet in here today! Tomorrow at this time we may be without power if we really see gusts up to 58 mph.... The ground is saturated and trees with leaves could easily cause a lot of problems..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meatwad Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 URGENT - WEATHER MESSAGE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE PITTSBURGH PA 421 PM EDT SUN OCT 28 2012 ...HIGH WIND EXPECTED FOR MONDAY AND TUESDAY... .POST TROPICAL STORM SANDY WILL INTERACT WITH A COLD UPPER LOW AND RESULT IN HIGH WIND ACROSS THE UPPER OHIO VALLEY. MDZ001-OHZ039>041-048>050-057>059-068-069-PAZ007>009-013>016- 020>023-029-031-073>076-WVZ001>004-012-021>023-041-290430- /O.UPG.KPBZ.HW.A.0002.121029T1600Z-121030T2300Z/ /O.NEW.KPBZ.HW.W.0002.121029T1600Z-121030T1600Z/ GARRETT-TUSCARAWAS-CARROLL-COLUMBIANA-COSHOCTON-HARRISON- JEFFERSON OH-MUSKINGUM-GUERNSEY-BELMONT-NOBLE-MONROE-MERCER- VENANGO-FOREST-LAWRENCE-BUTLER-CLARION-JEFFERSON PA-BEAVER- ALLEGHENY-ARMSTRONG-INDIANA-WASHINGTON-GREENE-WESTMORELAND- WESTMORELAND RIDGES-FAYETTE-FAYETTE RIDGES-HANCOCK-BROOKE-OHIO- MARSHALL-WETZEL-MARION-MONONGALIA-PRESTON-TUCKER- INCLUDING THE CITIES OF...OAKLAND MD...GRANTSVILLE... NEW PHILADELPHIA...DOVER...UHRICHSVILLE...CARROLLTON... EAST LIVERPOOL...SALEM...COLUMBIANA...EAST PALESTINE... WELLSVILLE...CALCUTTA...COSHOCTON...CADIZ...HOPEDALE... STEUBENVILLE...ZANESVILLE...CAMBRIDGE...MARTINS FERRY... ST. CLAIRSVILLE...BELLAIRE...BARNESVILLE...SHADYSIDE... BRIDGEPORT...CALDWELL...WOODSFIELD...SHARON...HERMITAGE... GROVE CITY...GREENVILLE...FARRELL...OIL CITY...FRANKLIN... SUGARCREEK...TIONESTA...NEW CASTLE...ELLWOOD CITY...BUTLER... ZELIENOPLE...CLARION...PUNXSUTAWNEY...BROOKVILLE... REYNOLDSVILLE...BROCKWAY...ALIQUIPPA...BEAVER FALLS...AMBRIDGE... MONACA...BEAVER...PITTSBURGH METRO AREA...KITTANNING... FORD CITY...LEECHBURG...FREEPORT...APOLLO...INDIANA... WASHINGTON...CANONSBURG...DONORA...CALIFORNIA...CHARLEROI... MONONGAHELA...MCMURRAY...WAYNESBURG...FAIRDALE...GREENSBURG... NEW KENSINGTON...JEANNETTE...LATROBE...MONESSEN...LIGONIER... DONEGAL...NEW FLORENCE...ACME...CHAMPION...UNIONTOWN... CONNELLSVILLE...POINT MARION...NORMALVILLE...FARMINGTON... OHIOPYLE...MARKLEYSBURG...WEIRTON...BETHANY...WHEELING... MOUNDSVILLE...NEW MARTINSVILLE...FAIRMONT...MORGANTOWN... KINGWOOD...TERRA ALTA...PARSONS...DAVIS...THOMAS 421 PM EDT SUN OCT 28 2012 ...HIGH WIND WARNING IN EFFECT FROM NOON MONDAY TO NOON EDT TUESDAY... THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN PITTSBURGH HAS ISSUED A HIGH WIND WARNING...WHICH IS IN EFFECT FROM NOON MONDAY TO NOON EDT TUESDAY. THE HIGH WIND WATCH IS NO LONGER IN EFFECT. * HAZARDS...DAMAGING WIND GUSTS. * WINDS...NORTHWEST 25 TO 35 MPH WITH GUSTS UP TO 60 MPH. * TIMING...WINDS WILL BEGIN TO INCREASE MONDAY AFTERNOON...WITH THE STRONGEST WIND GUSTS EXPECTED TO OCCUR LATE MONDAY EVENING INTO THE EARLY MORNING HOURS OF TUESDAY. WINDS WILL THEN BEGIN TO DIMINISH DURING THE DAYTIME ON TUESDAY. * IMPACTS...HIGH WIND WILL BRING DOWN TREES AND POWER LINES. LIGHT WEIGHT OBJECTS SUCH AS TRASH CANS...DECK FURNITURE...AND HALLOWEEN DECORATIONS SHOULD BE SECURED. USE EXTREME CAUTION WHILE DRIVING...ESPECIALLY WHEN CROSSING BRIDGES AND OVERPASSES. PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS... A HIGH WIND WARNING MEANS THAT SUSTAINED WIND OF AT LEAST 40 MPH OR GUSTS OF 58 MPH ARE EXPECTED. WIND OF THIS MAGNITUDE CAN DOWN TREES...DAMAGE PROPERTY AND MAKE DRIVING DIFFICULT. && $$ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RitualOfTheTrout Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 It's been so quiet in here today! Tomorrow at this time we may be without power if we really see gusts up to 58 mph.... The ground is saturated and trees with leaves could easily cause a lot of problems..... Looks like tomorrow evening into Tuesday morning we will see the worst of both rain and high winds. It is rare we get sustained winds in the 30-40mph range for such a long duration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAG5035 Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 I've noticed that both the central PA thread and the western PA/Pit thread are at or over 1000 posts, what are thoughts on maybe making a new thread merging both regions for the storm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChalkHillSnowNut Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 I'm for that...if you know how to do it-lets roll with that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paweatherguy1 Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 I've noticed that both the central PA thread and the western PA/Pit thread are at or over 1000 posts, what are thoughts on maybe making a new thread merging both regions for the storm? Get the mods to close the threads, and start the new one...though, I am not well liked by many of the CPA posters due to my extreme anti-Paterno stance. Lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digger Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 ...what are thoughts on maybe making a new thread merging both regions for the storm? Maybe for the storm, but I think there's enough dis-similarity between the regions for it to be inappropriate for the upcoming winter season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
north pgh Posted October 28, 2012 Author Share Posted October 28, 2012 Maybe for the storm, but I think there's enough dis-similarity between the regions for it to be inappropriate for the upcoming winter season. I agree for the storm only. I still would like to have our own Pittsburgh/Western Pa. separate for the season. Like Digger said, we are very dis-similar a lot of the time and there are many more posters in Central Pa. The Western Pa. posts would be lost in one big thread. I could start a new Pittsburgh/Western Pa but someone would have to lock the old one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChalkHillSnowNut Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 Yea I absolutely want our own thread....it's fine to keep it here....we can always troll the other ones for amusement....I like our winter convos!...and I also...am anti paterno Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAG5035 Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 Ok guys, was just curious of what you thought. I was only talking for this specific storm but hazelton already made up a new C-PA thread and I had like one response to this question over there... so we'll just keep em separate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RitualOfTheTrout Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 Ok guys, was just curious of what you thought. I was only talking for this specific storm but hazelton already made up a new C-PA thread and I had like one response to this question over there... so we'll just keep em separate. Feel free to continue stopping by our thread to interject your thoughts though as we always welcome some red tag analysis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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