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Frost Advisory

URGENT - WEATHER MESSAGE

NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE PITTSBURGH PA

109 PM EDT SUN SEP 23 2012

...FIRST FROST TONIGHT FOR MANY AREAS...

MDZ001-OHZ059-068-069-PAZ021-023-031-073>076-WVZ003-004-012-

021>023-041-240115-

/O.EXA.KPBZ.FR.Y.0005.120924T0600Z-120924T1300Z/

GARRETT-BELMONT-NOBLE-MONROE-ALLEGHENY-INDIANA-GREENE-

WESTMORELAND-WESTMORELAND RIDGES-FAYETTE-FAYETTE RIDGES-OHIO-

MARSHALL-WETZEL-MARION-MONONGALIA-PRESTON-TUCKER-

INCLUDING THE CITIES OF...OAKLAND MD...GRANTSVILLE...

MARTINS FERRY...ST. CLAIRSVILLE...BELLAIRE...BARNESVILLE...

SHADYSIDE...BRIDGEPORT...CALDWELL...WOODSFIELD...

PITTSBURGH METRO AREA...INDIANA...WAYNESBURG...FAIRDALE...

GREENSBURG...NEW KENSINGTON...JEANNETTE...LATROBE...MONESSEN...

LIGONIER...DONEGAL...NEW FLORENCE...ACME...CHAMPION...UNIONTOWN...

CONNELLSVILLE...POINT MARION...NORMALVILLE...FARMINGTON...

OHIOPYLE...MARKLEYSBURG...WHEELING...MOUNDSVILLE...

NEW MARTINSVILLE...FAIRMONT...MORGANTOWN...KINGWOOD...

TERRA ALTA...PARSONS...DAVIS...THOMAS

109 PM EDT SUN SEP 23 2012

...FROST ADVISORY IN EFFECT FROM 2 AM TO 9 AM EDT MONDAY...

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN PITTSBURGH HAS ISSUED A FROST

ADVISORY...WHICH IS IN EFFECT FROM 2 AM TO 9 AM EDT MONDAY.

* HAZARDS...AREAS OF FROST.

* TEMPERATURES...IN THE 30S.

* TIMING...LATE TONIGHT INTO EARLY MONDAY MORNING.

* IMPACTS...SENSITIVE PLANTS MAY BE DAMAGED.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

A FROST ADVISORY MEANS THAT FROST IS POSSIBLE. SENSITIVE OUTDOOR

PLANTS MAY BE KILLED IF LEFT UNCOVERED.

&&

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Very weird Special Weather Statement. "Some funnel clouds have been reported" with a shower? And it requires a Statement and no warning?

PECIAL WEATHER STATEMENT

NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE PITTSBURGH PA

454 PM EDT THU SEP 27 2012

PAZ021-073-272130-

ALLEGHENY PA-WESTMORELAND PA-

454 PM EDT THU SEP 27 2012

...A SHOWER WITH STRONG WINDS WILL AFFECT EAST CENTRAL ALLEGHENY AND

NORTHWESTERN WESTMORELAND COUNTIES...

AT 448 PM EDT...THIS SHOWER WAS LOCATED TURTLE CREEK...MOVING

NORTHEAST AT 20 MPH.

SOME FUNNEL CLOUDS HAVE BEEN REPORTED WITH THESE STRONG SHOWERS AND

THEY COULD POSSIBLY TOUCH THE GROUND.

WIND GUSTS TO 50 MPH ARE POSSIBLE WITH THIS STORM.

SOME LOCATIONS THAT WILL BE IMPACTED INCLUDE...

TURTLE CREEK... MONROEVILLE... PENN HILLS...

PLUM... SPRINGDALE... NEW KENSINGTON...

THIS WILL IMPACT THE FOLLOWING HIGHWAYS...

I-376 PARKWAY EAST BETWEEN MILE MARKERS 78 AND 84.

I-76 BETWEEN MILE MARKERS 48 AND 58.

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FLASH FLOOD STATEMENT

NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE PITTSBURGH PA

550 PM EDT THU SEP 27 2012

PAC003-272345-

/O.CON.KPBZ.FF.W.0013.000000T0000Z-120927T2345Z/

/00000.0.ER.000000T0000Z.000000T0000Z.000000T0000Z.OO/

ALLEGHENY PA-

550 PM EDT THU SEP 27 2012

...A FLASH FLOOD WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT UNTIL 745 PM EDT FOR

ALLEGHENY COUNTY...

AT 544 PM EDT...NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE DOPPLER RADAR CONTINUED TO

INDICATE SHOWERS AND ISOLATED THUNDERSTORMS PRODUCING VERY HEAVY

RAIN. THE LEADING EDGE OF THIS RAIN AREA WAS LOCATED ALONG A LINE

EXTENDING FROM PENN HILLS TO SOUTH SIDE PITTSBURGH...MOVING EAST AT

25 MPH. EXPECT A RAIN TOTAL OF ONE TO TWO INCHES.

OTHER LOCATIONS IN THE WARNING INCLUDE BUT ARE NOT LIMITED TO

SPRINGDALE...WILKINSBURG...PLUM...WEST MIFFLIN...TURTLE CREEK AND

MONROEVILLE.

FLOODING HAS ALREADY BEEN REPORTED IN BALDWIN...CLARION...AND

WILKINS TOWNSHIP.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

FLOODING IS OCCURRING OR IS IMMINENT. MOST FLOOD RELATED DEATHS OCCUR

IN AUTOMOBILES...SO DO NOT CROSS WATER COVERED BRIDGES...DIPS...OR

LOW WATER CROSSINGS. NEVER TRY TO CROSS A FLOWING STREAM...EVEN A

SMALL ONE...ON FOOT. MOVE UP TO HIGHER GROUND.

PLEASE REPORT HIGH WATER TO THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE BY CALLING

TOLL FREE...1-877-633-6772.

&&

LAT...LON 4042 7971 4039 7975 4039 7976 4035 7978

4040 8009 4053 8009 4058 7977 4055 7977

4054 7972 4053 7970

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Very weird Special Weather Statement. "Some funnel clouds have been reported" with a shower? And it requires a Statement and no warning?

PECIAL WEATHER STATEMENT

NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE PITTSBURGH PA

454 PM EDT THU SEP 27 2012

PAZ021-073-272130-

ALLEGHENY PA-WESTMORELAND PA-

454 PM EDT THU SEP 27 2012

...A SHOWER WITH STRONG WINDS WILL AFFECT EAST CENTRAL ALLEGHENY AND

NORTHWESTERN WESTMORELAND COUNTIES...

AT 448 PM EDT...THIS SHOWER WAS LOCATED TURTLE CREEK...MOVING

NORTHEAST AT 20 MPH.

SOME FUNNEL CLOUDS HAVE BEEN REPORTED WITH THESE STRONG SHOWERS AND

THEY COULD POSSIBLY TOUCH THE GROUND.

WIND GUSTS TO 50 MPH ARE POSSIBLE WITH THIS STORM.

SOME LOCATIONS THAT WILL BE IMPACTED INCLUDE...

TURTLE CREEK... MONROEVILLE... PENN HILLS...

PLUM... SPRINGDALE... NEW KENSINGTON...

THIS WILL IMPACT THE FOLLOWING HIGHWAYS...

I-376 PARKWAY EAST BETWEEN MILE MARKERS 78 AND 84.

I-76 BETWEEN MILE MARKERS 48 AND 58.

That makes no sense to issue a SPS, when you are receiving reports of funnel clouds.

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PUBLIC INFORMATION STATEMENT

NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE PITTSBURGH PA

458 PM EDT FRI SEP 28 2012

...MULTIPLE TORNADOES CONFIRMED ON SEP 27 2012...

...TORNADO CONFIRMED NEAR EIGHTY FOUR IN WASHINGTON COUNTY

PENNSYLVANIA...

LOCATION...EIGHTY FOUR TO 1 MILE SE GAMBLES

DATE...SEP 27 2012

ESTIMATED TIME...357 PM TO 400 PM EDT

MAXIMUM EF-SCALE RATING...EF0

ESTIMATED MAXIMUM WIND SPEED...80 TO 85 MPH

MAXIMUM PATH WIDTH...150 YARDS

PATH LENGTH...1.5 MILES

BEGINNING LAT/LON...40.186N 80.136W

ENDING LAT/LON...40.205 80.124W

* FATALITIES...0

* INJURIES...0

* THE INFORMATION IN THIS STATEMENT IS PRELIMINARY AND SUBJECT TO

CHANGE PENDING FINAL REVIEW OF THE EVENT(S) AND PUBLICATION IN

NWS STORM DATA.

...SUMMARY...

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN PITTSBURGH PA HAS CONFIRMED A

TORNADO NEAR EIGHTY FOUR IN WASHINGTON COUNTY PENNSYLVANIA ON SEP

27 2012.

A CONCENTRATED DAMAGE SWATH WAS ENCOUNTERED ALONG ROUTE 519 IN

EIGHTY FOUR TO ALONG BROWNLEE ROAD NEAR GAMBLES. DAMAGE CONSISTED

OF SNAPPED AND UPROOTED HARDWOOD AND SOFTWOOD TREES...DESTRUCTION

OF SMALL OUTBUILDINGS AND MODEST SHINGLE REMOVAL ON A STRUCTURE. A

CAR WAS BLOWN ONTO ITS SIDE ALONG ROUTE 519 DURING THE TORNADO.

DAMAGE EXHIBITED A CYCLONICALLY CONVERGENT PATTERN AS THE TRACK

ADVANCED NORTH-NORTHEASTWARD. THIS TORNADO ALSO WAS CONFIRMED BY

VIDEO SUBMITTED TO THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE.

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN PITTSBURGH EXTENDS ITS

APPRECIATION TO WASHINGTON COUNTY DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY AND

TO THE PUBLIC FOR THEIR EYEWITNESS REPORTS OF THIS EVENT.

THIS INFORMATION CAN ALSO BE FOUND ON OUR WEBSITE AT

WEATHER.GOV/PITTSBURGH.

FOR REFERENCE...THE ENHANCED FUJITA SCALE CLASSIFIES TORNADOES

INTO THE FOLLOWING CATEGORIES:

EF0...WIND SPEEDS 65 TO 85 MPH.

EF1...WIND SPEEDS 86 TO 110 MPH.

EF2...WIND SPEEDS 111 TO 135 MPH.

EF3...WIND SPEEDS 136 TO 165 MPH.

EF4...WIND SPEEDS 166 TO 200 MPH.

EF5...WIND SPEEDS GREATER THAN 200 MPH.

&&

...TORNADO CONFIRMED NEAR WEST MIFFLIN IN ALLEGHENY COUNTY PENNSYLVANIA...

LOCATION...WEST MIFFLIN TO 1 MILE NNE WEST MIFFLIN

DATE...SEP 27 2012

ESTIMATED TIME...444 PM TO 445 PM EDT

MAXIMUM EF-SCALE RATING... EF0

ESTIMATED MAXIMUM WIND SPEED...70 TO 80 MPH

MAXIMUM PATH WIDTH... 75 YARDS

PATH LENGTH... ONE-QUARTER MILE

BEGINNING LAT/LON...40.367N 79.864W

ENDING LAT/LON...40.371N 79.862W

* FATALITIES...0

* INJURIES...0

* THE INFORMATION IN THIS STATEMENT IS PRELIMINARY AND SUBJECT TO

CHANGE PENDING FINAL REVIEW OF THE EVENT(S) AND PUBLICATION IN

NWS STORM DATA.

...SUMMARY...

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN PITTSBURGH PA HAS CONFIRMED A

TORNADO NEAR WEST MIFFLIN IN ALLEGHENY COUNTY PENNSYLVANIA ON SEP

27 2012.

DAMAGE TO TREES WAS NOTED ALONG AND SOUTHWEST OF GRANT AVENUE

EXTENSION IN WEST MIFFLIN. SOFTWOOD TREES AND LARGE HARDWOOD TREE

LIMBS WERE SNAPPED AND DRAGGED. CEMETERY HEADSTONES WERE BLOWN

OVER. THE EXPOSED FRONT PORCH OF A HOME ALONG GRANT AVENUE

EXTENSION WAS UPLIFTED AND DEPOSITED ON THE ROOF OF THE HOME.

THIS INFORMATION CAN ALSO BE FOUND ON OUR WEBSITE AT

WEATHER.GOV/PITTSBURGH.

FOR REFERENCE...THE ENHANCED FUJITA SCALE CLASSIFIES TORNADOES

INTO THE FOLLOWING CATEGORIES:

EF0...WIND SPEEDS 65 TO 85 MPH.

EF1...WIND SPEEDS 86 TO 110 MPH.

EF2...WIND SPEEDS 111 TO 135 MPH.

EF3...WIND SPEEDS 136 TO 165 MPH.

EF4...WIND SPEEDS 166 TO 200 MPH.

EF5...WIND SPEEDS GREATER THAN 200 MPH.

$$

KRAMAR

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Hello everyone,

If you don't know me by name, my name is Zak Brisko and I am 23 years old. I am a journalism major at Shippensburg University and minoring in earth science. I am telling you all this because I am in the process of starting my own weather organization called the Hazardous Weather Prediction Center. Our goal there is to provide the public with the best forecast possible along with stunning graphics. I made this topic because well this is a weather forum and I know you guys love weather. I need some guys on my team that would like to become members and join as a met, forecaster, advisor, graphic media (photos and video), legal, financial and more. I hope to take my company within the next 1-2 years and make it a 501C3 (nonprofit) and also open a private sector where forecasting for businesses or personal use will be based on donations.

If anyone is interesting check out the site or facebook and let me know of your interest at [email protected]

www.hwpcwx.org

https://www.facebook...150348485049772

Thanks guys and have a great day.

~Zak

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URGENT - WEATHER MESSAGE

NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE PITTSBURGH PA

250 PM EDT SAT OCT 6 2012

...FREEZE WATCH FOR EARLY MONDAY MORNING...

.FREEZING TEMPERATURES ARE POSSIBLE DURING THE PREDAWN HOURS OF

MONDAY...AND IF THIS OCCURS...UNPROTECTED PLANTS WOULD BE

IMPACTED.

MDZ001-OHZ039>041-048>050-057>059-068-069-PAZ007>009-013>016-

020>023-029-031-073>076-WVZ001>004-012-021>023-041-070300-

/O.NEW.KPBZ.FZ.A.0010.121008T0800Z-121008T1300Z/

GARRETT-TUSCARAWAS-CARROLL-COLUMBIANA-COSHOCTON-HARRISON-

JEFFERSON OH-MUSKINGUM-GUERNSEY-BELMONT-NOBLE-MONROE-MERCER-

VENANGO-FOREST-LAWRENCE-BUTLER-CLARION-JEFFERSON PA-BEAVER-

ALLEGHENY-ARMSTRONG-INDIANA-WASHINGTON-GREENE-WESTMORELAND-

WESTMORELAND RIDGES-FAYETTE-FAYETTE RIDGES-HANCOCK-BROOKE-OHIO-

MARSHALL-WETZEL-MARION-MONONGALIA-PRESTON-TUCKER-

INCLUDING THE CITIES OF...OAKLAND MD...GRANTSVILLE...

NEW PHILADELPHIA...DOVER...UHRICHSVILLE...CARROLLTON...

EAST LIVERPOOL...SALEM...COLUMBIANA...EAST PALESTINE...

WELLSVILLE...CALCUTTA...COSHOCTON...CADIZ...HOPEDALE...

STEUBENVILLE...ZANESVILLE...CAMBRIDGE...MARTINS FERRY...

ST. CLAIRSVILLE...BELLAIRE...BARNESVILLE...SHADYSIDE...

BRIDGEPORT...CALDWELL...WOODSFIELD...SHARON...HERMITAGE...

GROVE CITY...GREENVILLE...FARRELL...OIL CITY...FRANKLIN...

SUGARCREEK...TIONESTA...NEW CASTLE...ELLWOOD CITY...BUTLER...

ZELIENOPLE...CLARION...PUNXSUTAWNEY...BROOKVILLE...

REYNOLDSVILLE...BROCKWAY...ALIQUIPPA...BEAVER FALLS...AMBRIDGE...

MONACA...BEAVER...PITTSBURGH METRO AREA...KITTANNING...

FORD CITY...LEECHBURG...FREEPORT...APOLLO...INDIANA...

WASHINGTON...CANONSBURG...DONORA...CALIFORNIA...CHARLEROI...

MONONGAHELA...MCMURRAY...WAYNESBURG...FAIRDALE...GREENSBURG...

NEW KENSINGTON...JEANNETTE...LATROBE...MONESSEN...LIGONIER...

DONEGAL...NEW FLORENCE...ACME...CHAMPION...UNIONTOWN...

CONNELLSVILLE...POINT MARION...NORMALVILLE...FARMINGTON...

OHIOPYLE...MARKLEYSBURG...WEIRTON...BETHANY...WHEELING...

MOUNDSVILLE...NEW MARTINSVILLE...FAIRMONT...MORGANTOWN...

KINGWOOD...TERRA ALTA...PARSONS...DAVIS...THOMAS

250 PM EDT SAT OCT 6 2012

...FREEZE WATCH IN EFFECT FROM LATE SUNDAY NIGHT THROUGH MONDAY

MORNING...

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN PITTSBURGH HAS ISSUED A FREEZE

WATCH...WHICH IS IN EFFECT FROM LATE SUNDAY NIGHT THROUGH MONDAY

MORNING.

* HAZARDS...SUB-FREEZING TEMPERATURES POSSIBLE.

* TEMPERATURES...30 TO 35 POSSIBLE.

* TIMING...MONDAY PREDAWN.

* IMPACTS...UNPROTECTED OUTDOOR PLANTS MAY BE DAMAGED OR KILLED.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

A FREEZE WATCH MEANS SUB-FREEZING TEMPERATURES ARE POSSIBLE.

THESE CONDITIONS COULD KILL CROPS AND OTHER SENSITIVE VEGETATION

AND MAY AFFECT OUTDOOR PLUMBING FIXTURES.

&&

$$

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Freeze Warning

URGENT - WEATHER MESSAGE

NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE PITTSBURGH PA

302 PM EDT MON OCT 8 2012

...FREEZE WARNING IN EFFECT FOR TUESDAY MORNING...

OHZ039>041-048>050-057>059-068-069-PAZ007>009-013>016-020>023-029-

031-073-075-WVZ001>004-012-021-022-090315-

/O.CON.KPBZ.FZ.W.0016.121009T0700Z-121009T1300Z/

TUSCARAWAS-CARROLL-COLUMBIANA-COSHOCTON-HARRISON-JEFFERSON OH-

MUSKINGUM-GUERNSEY-BELMONT-NOBLE-MONROE-MERCER-VENANGO-FOREST-

LAWRENCE-BUTLER-CLARION-JEFFERSON PA-BEAVER-ALLEGHENY-ARMSTRONG-

INDIANA-WASHINGTON-GREENE-WESTMORELAND-FAYETTE-HANCOCK-BROOKE-

OHIO-MARSHALL-WETZEL-MARION-MONONGALIA-

INCLUDING THE CITIES OF...NEW PHILADELPHIA...DOVER...

UHRICHSVILLE...CARROLLTON...EAST LIVERPOOL...SALEM...COLUMBIANA...

EAST PALESTINE...WELLSVILLE...CALCUTTA...COSHOCTON...CADIZ...

HOPEDALE...STEUBENVILLE...ZANESVILLE...CAMBRIDGE...

MARTINS FERRY...ST. CLAIRSVILLE...BELLAIRE...BARNESVILLE...

SHADYSIDE...BRIDGEPORT...CALDWELL...WOODSFIELD...SHARON...

HERMITAGE...GROVE CITY...GREENVILLE...FARRELL...OIL CITY...

FRANKLIN...SUGARCREEK...TIONESTA...NEW CASTLE...ELLWOOD CITY...

BUTLER...ZELIENOPLE...CLARION...PUNXSUTAWNEY...BROOKVILLE...

REYNOLDSVILLE...BROCKWAY...ALIQUIPPA...BEAVER FALLS...AMBRIDGE...

MONACA...BEAVER...PITTSBURGH METRO AREA...KITTANNING...

FORD CITY...LEECHBURG...FREEPORT...APOLLO...INDIANA...

WASHINGTON...CANONSBURG...DONORA...CALIFORNIA...CHARLEROI...

MONONGAHELA...MCMURRAY...WAYNESBURG...FAIRDALE...GREENSBURG...

NEW KENSINGTON...JEANNETTE...LATROBE...MONESSEN...UNIONTOWN...

CONNELLSVILLE...POINT MARION...WEIRTON...BETHANY...WHEELING...

MOUNDSVILLE...NEW MARTINSVILLE...FAIRMONT...MORGANTOWN

302 PM EDT MON OCT 8 2012

...FREEZE WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT FROM 3 AM TO 9 AM EDT

TUESDAY...

* HAZARDS...BELOW FREEZING TEMPERATURES.

* TEMPERATURES...IN THE LOWER 30S.

* IMPACTS...UNPROTECTED OUTDOOR PLANTS WILL LIKELY BE DAMAGED OR

KILLED.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

A FREEZE WARNING MEANS SUB-FREEZING TEMPERATURES ARE IMMINENT OR

HIGHLY LIKELY. THESE CONDITIONS WILL KILL CROPS AND OTHER

SENSITIVE VEGETATION.

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Croppers Winter Forecast. Cropper forecasts this winter to be colder with 44.1 inches of snow, slightly above the average snowfall of 41.9 inches. I guess he isn't including the weenie 24-30 inch historic storm next week.....

http://www.wpxi.com/...r-weathe/nSj5z/

For laughs. This is the storm next week. This is snowfall in inches lolololoolol!

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For laughs. This is the storm next week. This is snowfall in inches lolololoolol!

This is by far the biggest weenie map I have ever seen for any winter storm or fantasy storm, and it came from last nights Euro of all things, which had a 956mb low over about Williamsport on its way to retrograding towards the central Lakes. Actually most major models have been putting up solutions that you just don't normally see. The GFS was in on it as well Sunday at 12z before it started taking Sandy out to sea without any phasing or big storm on the coast. We're probably not going to see our average seasons snowfall if we do get this haha but I do believe there's potential for some kind of a strong storm that could be a snow threat to at least the western PA high ground. It's going to be a while till this gets sorted out on the models one way or the other given the upstream and downstream features that need to be forecasted/sampled better as well as the eventual development, track, and interaction if any that T.S Sandy has with the approaching trough and upper low.

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How bout the Euro? Wow.. this thing is looking like it will have large impacts somewhere. When I saw talk of this on Monday I thought for sure by Wednessday it would be showing out to sea.. Wonder if we manage our first accumulating snow out of this? Snow on Halloween has happened before, but I don't think it ever involved a Hurricane!

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How bout the Euro? Wow.. this thing is looking like it will have large impacts somewhere. When I saw talk of this on Monday I thought for sure by Wednessday it would be showing out to sea.. Wonder if we manage our first accumulating snow out of this? Snow on Halloween has happened before, but I don't think it ever involved a Hurricane!

The euro might be the most insane run of any model I have seen. I think we would get a full out blizzard with how it is right now.

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The euro might be the most insane run of any model I have seen. I think we would get a full out blizzard with how it is right now.

Given the time of year, I wonder how possible that even is though? This reminds of that possible snow storm back in early May that was initially showing us getting burried, but it was so late in the season that it just couldn't quite get cold enough to get any snow out of it. I wonder if the same thing could happen here being still so early in the season? I did see some accumulating snow last year from that Halloween weekend event when I was in Canonsburg (maybe an inch at best) and I guess it was all dependent on the elevations around the area who got what from that. Elevation will be another factor here if this actually takes place.

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Given the time of year, I wonder how possible that even is though? This reminds of that possible snow storm back in early May that was initially showing us getting burried, but it was so late in the season that it just couldn't quite get cold enough to get any snow out of it. I wonder if the same thing could happen here being still so early in the season? I did see some accumulating snow last year from that Halloween weekend event when I was in Canonsburg (maybe an inch at best) and I guess it was all dependent on the elevations around the area who got what from that. Elevation will be another factor here if this actually takes place.

I just edited the topic page. Funny how the first post is from last year on Oct. 28th talking about our first snow in October.

Still a ways out but would be great to see a historic snowfall next week. Heck I'll take a couple inches of the white stuff. In the State College AFD they talk about the sun angle. They talked about the difference between the May storm last year and potential of snow for this year. They say a big difference is sun angle. This late in October the Sun angle is equivalent to February so that any snow would not have trouble accumulating during the day if it is cold enough.

Will have to wait and see. One thing for certain is that it's going to get cold and wet.

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Any mets, what would SWPA's best track of the storm be for accumulating snow. I want to say the retrograde over LI into NYC is as it will throw moisture and cold air into the area, but I also know that track is very dubious for the NYC area too.

That's probably the best track snowwise for Central PA, and then retrograding and slowly killing the low in central/western NY. A more SW-PA friendly track might be a track that cuts into NJ and from Northeastern PA to western NY. Either track like that would probably give west PA snow. I'm only speaking solely trackwise, we shall see how good the temps are to work with if we end up with a solution like that in the end. Higher ground def would be looking good, but it probably depend on precip intensity when you work down to elevations like say in Pittsburgh. Thats not to say measurable snows out of the question, but i'd look for a pretty big range between the mountains and lower ground.

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Euro says congrats snow-wise to places like Morgantown, Latrobe, and Washington... how often do you see those places in the bullseye? haha. Pittsburgh looked good too (at least 2" QPF), although 2m's are a lil warm.. would imagine totals would vary significantly between higher and lower Pit neighborhoods with this solution.

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It is going to take a near pefect track for Pittsburgh to see a substantial snow fall (4+). It just doesn't look to be cold enough. I guess as we get closer that may change, and with a storm of this potential historic magnitude and rarity there really aren't alot of prevous cases to examine so something crazy could well happen. I am preparing more for a heavy rain and wind type event than winter storm at this point. Now if I lived in the higher elevations I'd probably be singing a different tune.

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