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potential for a few mangled flakes part 3


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detailed 18z NAM (aka proof that run after run it's still mostly snow for NYC after the first few hours, and anyone from Manhattan/the BX on NW really shouldn't worry that much because 4" is amazing in October regardless)

hr 24 (note that only .5 has fallen yet NYC is at 34-35, which is cold enough for snow if the QPF is heavy and 850s are -4)

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hr 27--at this point we are seeing rates of 2"/hr in the city, although the stickage is considerably less

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hr 30--deform band right over the city with rates of 2"+ hr, 850s are -6... this is unquestionably accumulating snow

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hr 33--oh look, NYC special, lingering band right over the city while temps are at freezing and 850s are, again, -6

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POINT BEING: STOP FREAKING OUT ABOUT MINOR CHANGES

anyone directly along the ocean is likely screwed but Manhattan has done remarkably well in most set-ups the past decade +, even in supposedly 'marginal' events which this will surely be. I would be very worried if I was near JFK and even as you get close to LGA, but it's funny how most of the negative analysis for NYC is coming from posters from Upstate (rockland county etc where ever those places are)

the NAM as-is is a major hit for the city. it isn't going to be a crippling storm, but the Park will get 4" of glop. BE HAPPY, IT IS OCTOBER.

Also: there is no way that EWR and NYC have a differential of more than an inch or two. any posters from suburbs within 25 miles of the city hoping for 6"+ are being ridiculous.

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the NAM as-is is a major hit for the city. it isn't going to be a crippling storm, but the Park will get 4" of glop. BE HAPPY, IT IS OCTOBER.

Also: there is no way that EWR and NYC have a differential of more than an inch or two. any posters from suburbs within 25 miles of the city hoping for 6"+ are being ridiculous.

Higher points in Westchester could easily see 6"+ in my opinion.

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detailed 18z NAM (aka proof that run after run it's still mostly snow for NYC after the first few hours, and anyone from Manhattan/the BX on NW really shouldn't worry that much because 4" is amazing in October regardless)

hr 24 (note that only .5 has fallen yet NYC is at 34-35, which is cold enough for snow if the QPF is heavy and 850s are -4)

f24.gif

hr 27--at this point we are seeing rates of 2"/hr in the city, although the stickage is considerably less

f27.gif

hr 30--deform band right over the city with rates of 2"+ hr, 850s are -6... this is unquestionably accumulating snow

f30.gif

hr 33--oh look, NYC special, lingering band right over the city while temps are at freezing and 850s are, again, -6

f33.gif

POINT BEING: STOP FREAKING OUT ABOUT MINOR CHANGES

anyone directly along the ocean is likely screwed but Manhattan has done remarkably well in most set-ups the past decade +, even in supposedly 'marginal' events which this will surely be. I would be very worried if I was near JFK and even as you get close to LGA, but it's funny how most of the negative analysis for NYC is coming from posters from Upstate (rockland county etc where ever those places are)

the NAM as-is is a major hit for the city. it isn't going to be a crippling storm, but the Park will get 4" of glop. BE HAPPY, IT IS OCTOBER.

Also: there is no way that EWR and NYC have a differential of more than an inch or two. any posters from suburbs within 25 miles of the city hoping for 6"+ are being ridiculous.

Well done, the NAM really is a pretty good solution for the city. popcorn.gif This is the ultimate nowcast situation to see exactly where the deform band is, and the correlation between rain and snow.

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Upstate NY is irrelevant to me

That's not upstate, that's the 25 mile radius you are talking about. My house is less than 10 miles from the Bronx border and about 25 miles from Central Park. I think the dewpoints in the mid 20s and track of the H7 and H85 lows argue that this is mainly a snow event for the NW suburbs. There are a good number of people who live at 300-400' elevation in southern Westchester, and even places like Riverdale have a couple hundred feet.

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Saturday Night: Rain and snow before 2am, then a chance of snow. Low around 35. Windy, with a north wind between 24 and 28 mph, with gusts as high as 49 mph. Chance of precipitation is 90%. New snow accumulation of 2 to 4 inches possible.

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Nikolai your claim that NYC will see 4 yet any suburb within 25 miles of the city won't see 6+ is bs. Areas just N and W of the city and over 500ft have a legitimate shot at 6+. And areas N and W of 287...game on!

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So much for upton not seeing accumulation

Saturday Night: Rain and snow before 2am, then a chance of snow. Low around 33. Windy, with a north wind between 23 and 29 mph, with gusts as high as 45 mph. Chance of precipitation is 90%. New snow accumulation of 3 to 7 inches possible.

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Nikolai your claim that NYC will see 4 yet any suburb within 25 miles of the city won't see 6+ is bs. Areas just N and W of the city and over 500ft have a legitimate shot at 6+. And areas N and W of 287...game on!

you are speaking greek to me with all those numbers

although I suppose the posters who do have significant elevation may see 7-8", none of you are getting double-digit totals... the winners in this storm are going to be the people under the heaviest banding, elevation won't make a difference until you're 1k ft+ IMO

lol @ the outrage from the suburban posters the minute someone says they won't see 6"+ from a snowstorm in October when everyone keeps railing on NYC and there is nary a whimper

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Upton calling for 3"-5" for me in Astoria:

Saturday Night: Rain and snow before 2am, then a chance of snow. Low around 36. Windy, with a north wind between 26 and 29 mph, with gusts as high as 45 mph. Chance of precipitation is 90%. New snow accumulation of 3 to 5 inches possible

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Upton calling for 3"-5" for me in Astoria:

Saturday Night: Rain and snow before 2am, then a chance of snow. Low around 36. Windy, with a north wind between 26 and 29 mph, with gusts as high as 45 mph. Chance of precipitation is 90%. New snow accumulation of 3 to 5 inches possible

Same in Manhattan... thumbsupsmileyanim.gif

NYC at 47/28 at 5PM. First official sub-50 high of the season, only hit 49 today--4 degrees below the forecast, FWIW. It's not terribly significant but it does show the depth of this 'cold' air-mass for October standards, especially as today had fair skies.

I think it's likely we get into the 30s tonight, but we shall wait and see...

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Just as an FYI, we did see a pretty siginificant shift east last year on the 1/11 storm, and we also saw it for 12/19. Any kind of shift east doubles the point and click snow falls IMHO.

A lot of times models will wind up storms a little west of where they end up in the end at this stage. I wouldn't be surprised at a final fade east at the very end with tonight's runs.

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beware-high bust potential on either end...I think we could see nothing or 6 inches...all depends on the change over and of course the heavy precip rates developing....hoping for the best for all!:snowman:

Definitely could be some surprises. Before 2/25/10, most NYC predictions were for maybe around 6-8" or so. Central Park ended up with 22". :lol:

Same with 1/27 last year, 12/25/02, and so on. I think one or two locations well up in the NJ/SE NY mountains and hills could see 18-20".

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