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potential for a few mangled flakes part 3


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its not the precip rates that make the model warmer, its the position/development of the mid-level lows on the gfs . Its simply not there till the very end of the storm and thats when everyone switches over and probably accumulates as a true CCB takes over.

True, but the NAM will also be more "sensitive" to mesoscale features such as dynamic cooling, all-else (including precip) being equal.

What's good is that the timing of the storm has slightly slowed. Even if the changeover doesn't occur until 0z, most of us can still pick up a quick several inches of snow.

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True, but the NAM will also be more "sensitive" to mesoscale features such as dynamic cooling, all-else (including precip) being equal.

What's good is that the timing of the storm has slightly slowed. Even if the changeover doesn't occur until 0z, most of us can still pick up a quick several inches of snow.

Per 18z GFS clownmaps 6"+ from Rt.78 N in NJ, NYC right on line but looks like 2-4" in the city. Once into Morris County/Warren/Passaic/NW Bergen & NW 10"+. GFS aint too shabby...

vs 12z it is slightly more snow in NE NJ, and roughly the same elsewhere.

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I think the time of year and massive amount of energy available just off-shore (thermal gradient ftw) should ensure that the low develops very rapidly.

Definitely. This is the one advantageous thing about being in October - the baroclinic zone is strong.

Plus, the low will be at its most rapid rate of development at our latitudes. Meaning, there will be the most amount of upper level divergence compared to the surface convergence, which greatly favors upward vertical motion to begin with. I suspect that the highest Omega values in the snowgrowth regions will occur near our latitudes.

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Per 18z GFS clownmaps 6"+ from Rt.78 N in NJ, NYC right on line but looks like 2-4" in the city. Once into Morris County/Warren/Passaic/NW Bergen & NW 10"+. GFS aint too shabby...

vs 12z it is slightly more snow in NE NJ, and roughly the same elsewhere.

Which clown map? Raleigh is a lot more then that for NYC. 6"+ easy for NYC.

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I doubt many see winds to 65mph like we had in Irene, maybe some gusts in the 40s.

Upton has 5boros gust to 55 and then 60 on long island, many areas didn't get near 65 I just looked up wind reports. After reading point forecast and watches/advisorys it will be close and after 3/10/10 and Irene never know winds can be much higher or lower

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I'd be really surprised if that happens, since temps are already falling through the mid 40s, and dews are in the 20s. I could see 37-40 for a while but not 40s. There's also a strong northerly flow coming in from off the colder land. I just don't see how it can be that warm with these parameters in place.

JFK is 47/25, we aren't going much lower than the low 40s for a low tonight with the clouds now in place. Low 40s during the day tomorrow looks like a pretty sure bet.

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Wow, what a storm coming, and historical, actually biblical at that! GFS is out to lunch, lower resolution is just killing this model right now, waters out by the bench mark are tropical, this vort max will seek that energy and act on the baroclinic ribbon of love and thrive. CCB should be epic from jersey into the lower hudson valley and nw ct, then traverse east with time, delivering dendritical deliciousness from clifton to crown heights. A deepening low se of long island with ne then due north winds, dynamics to boot and big time, 850 temps will surrender to the surface, I can envision an epic band ala 96 over the tri state, except its paste, trees down, coastal flooding, winds gusting 50++. If you love weather, you gotta love this, a new anus will be ripped from east of ACY south of ISP and se of ACK, enjoy this storm guys, this has the potential to be a once in 500 year event. These are uncharted waters, its late October, enjoy the majesty of mother nature, I am pretty certain this will never happen again in our lifetime, or future generations for that matter.

Its 10/28...........its almost too good to true, believe!

Nice!! If you don't write for a living, you should think about it.

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I remember seeing the vorts phasing for the Boxing Day blizzard over the Miss. valley and knowing that we had a monster headed our way, and I definitely have that same feeling tonight. Whatever percentage is snow for whomever is a bonus, and whatever sticks is more of a bonus-just enjoy this upcoming display of Nature's version of nuclear bombogenesis just off our shores.

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I remember seeing the vorts phasing for the Boxing Day blizzard over the Miss. valley and knowing that we had a monster headed our way, and I definitely have that same feeling tonight. Whatever percentage is snow for whomever is a bonus, and whatever sticks is more of a bonus-just enjoy this upcoming display of Nature's version of nuclear bombogenesis just off our shores.

In some ways, this storm actually reminds me of the Boxing Day event. Your post is one of those ways. The other is the timing in which the storm is going to be maturing most rapidly.

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