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Have a golf tournament tomorrow - "rain or shine". :lmao:

But on the serious side as already mentioned, this could get ugly. Most of the big wood around here (oak, maple, poplar) still has 80 - 90% of leaves.

I'll have to try to look it up but does anyone know what's the earliest 6" snow at KLNS?

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From PennDot-- District 8 is Adams, Cumberland, Perry, Dauphin, Lancaster, Lebanon and York

* Plowable Snowfall Likely in Parts of D-8 Saturday *

A rare late-October plowable snowfall looks on track for parts of D-8 as a developing storm looks to take an almost perfect track for an eastern PA heavy snow event. As with late-season (March & April) snowstorms, elevation will make a HUGE difference. Looking at past similar storms in late-October and early-November, it's quite possible that locations in the mountains of District 8 could get 7 - 14 inches...which could obviously cause problems with some trees still having leaves. Down in the valleys and cities, temperatures will be a few degrees warmer and the wet snow will have a harder time accumulating. Still, I can see 3 - 6 inches on the grass and perhaps even a couple/few inches on some roads--the intensity of the snowfall will be a determining factor, as to how much snow can accumulate on the warm roads. Right now, I see precip (rain-snow mix) arriving between midnight and 3:00am in southwestern D-8 and spreading across all of D-8 by 6:00am or so. Initially, temperatures will be in the mid to upper 30s--after an hour or two of precip (evaporational cooling), temps will dip to near 32 degrees...so expect accumulating snow across much of D-8 by daybreak. Periods of wet snow, heavy at times, will fall into the afternoon as temps hold near 32 in the mountains and between 32 and 38 in the valleys. The snowstorm will exit by sunset Saturday with lows dipping into the 20s...thus, a hard freeze is likely. Sunday will be partly sunny with highs around 40 degrees.

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Have a golf tournament tomorrow - "rain or shine". :lmao:

But on the serious side as already mentioned, this could get ugly. Most of the big wood around here (oak, maple, poplar) still has 80 - 90% of leaves.

I'll have to try to look it up but does anyone know what's the earliest 6" snow at KLNS?

Just off the top of my head I'd think November 6, 1953. Most of the area had 6+ from that storm.

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<br>Surface temps are still a few degrees above freezing and it's daytime.  Precip rates can only do so much, remember.<br>
<br><br>It's hovering right at freezing. And CTP already mentioned the 1-2" per hr rates in the disco.

<div><br></div><div>NAM text output has most precip at 30-32.</div><div><br></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times; font-size: medium; "><pre style="word-wrap: break-word; white-space: pre-wrap; "> Station ID: KHGR Lat: 39.70 Long: -77.73

NAM Model Run: 12Z OCT 28, 2011

Forecast Hours: 0hr 6hr 12hr 18hr 24hr 30hr 36hr 42hr 48hr 54hr 60hr 66hr 72hr 78hr 84hr

Sfc Prs(mb): 997.6 997.1 996.9 996.3 992.1 989.1 992.2 993.9 997.1 997.7 998.9 998.5 996.9 994.4 996.0

Mean SLP (mb): 1024.4 1023.4 1023.2 1023.0 1018.9 1015.9 1018.9 1020.8 1024.4 1024.4 1025.5 1025.1 1023.6 1020.5 1022.0

2m agl Tmp (F): 32.7 46.9 42.3 36.2 32.2 30.6 31.6 26.6 22.8 38.5 32.2 32.5 33.5 45.2 43.0

2m agl Dewpt(F): 29.3 25.2 29.3 34.4 31.6 30.6 31.1 25.2 21.9 35.5 32.2 32.5 33.3 41.4 42.9

2m agl RH (%): 87 42 59 93 98 100 98 94 96 89 100 100 99 86 99

10m agl Dir: 306 84 128 76 34 1 332 309 284 247 209 181 162 181 198

10m agl Spd(kt): 1 8 4 6 11 13 11 7 6 4 3 3 6 8 3

6hr Precip (in): 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.07 0.32 1.06 0.37 0.01 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.02

AccumPrecip(in): 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.07 0.39 1.45 1.81 1.82 1.82 1.82 1.82 1.82 1.82 1.82 1.84 </pre></span></div>

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Surface temps are still a few degrees above freezing and it's daytime. Precip rates can only do so much, remember.

But also remember once the snow sticks, that starts the ball rolling. Trust me, seen enough October snow events to realize that while it's a factor, surface temps aren't a deal breaker. 1-2" rates will overwhelm the ground, it can't melt that fast.

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Couple of quick reminders to those living in Central Pennsylvania for the upcoming event:

  1. This is a very early season snowfall. Elevation will be a critical factor in determining who gets what.
  2. Snowfall maps, though interesting to look at, are not set in stone. Case in point is the latest run of the SREFs which paint 14.75" maximum over Harrisburg, PA. Experience has taught me that snowfall maps are not a great forecasting tool, and to rely more on BUFKIT.
  3. Observations (lower, mid, upper levels) are key. Model are just prognostications of what will transpire. Given that we are T-24 hours until the event I take run-to-run variances with a grain of salt unless there is a clear consensus across the board. Put more stock in observations, versus initial forecasts upstream. For example, locations that are seeing snow where it was not originally forecast to fall, or vice versa.
  4. Finally, this is a potential 50 year event. Regardless of the eventual outcome, it will be fun to unfold and provide everyone with an excellent learning experience.

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But 1 to 2 inches per hour...That would stick in June and July.

3/1/09 in Atlanta...heaviest snow I've seen since I became a weather weenie. IIIRC the nearest official station reported .5" QPF in 3 hours. Nada on the ground because of stubborn 36-37 degree sfc temps! But that was a totally different setup; an ULL with a relatively narrow swath of accum. snow because only places with insane precip rates cooled off enough. Still, though, be wary of surface temps, especially in an almost unprecedented storm like this without a lot of analogs we can look to.

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Just off the top of my head I'd think November 6, 1953. Most of the area had 6+ from that storm.

To quote Eric Horst from the Millersville Univ. Weather Center:

P.S. The largest October snowfall on record here in Lancaster is 2.4" on October 19, 1940. The largest "mid-Autumn" snow here was 13.5 inches on November 6, 1953....so scary, big-time snowfall is possible around Halloween season!
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But also remember once the snow sticks, that starts the ball rolling. Trust me, seen enough October snow events to realize that while it's a factor, surface temps aren't a deal breaker. 1-2" rates will overwhelm the ground, it can't melt that fast.

I completely agree. But even if it is sticking with surface temperatures above 32F, it is still melting... which can have major effects on snow totals. Still have to keep that in mind when forecasting.

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Have a golf tournament tomorrow - "rain or shine". :lmao:

But on the serious side as already mentioned, this could get ugly. Most of the big wood around here (oak, maple, poplar) still has 80 - 90% of leaves.

I'll have to try to look it up but does anyone know what's the earliest 6" snow at KLNS?

Thinking better go with a colored ball. :yikes:

Just off the top of my head I'd think November 6, 1953. Most of the area had 6+ from that storm.

Penn Thanks for the info!

One thing the snow shouldn't stick around to long.

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