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potential for a few (million) mangled flakes part 2


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Euro ensembles have the low tucked in decently close but similar to the NAM in many respects with its northeast extension. Pretty perfect if youre just outside the city. Surface temps are 32-36 anywhere west of the city from 42-48 hrs. Ripping snow at that time. 850 0c doesn't get close to Long Island -- it's way off the coast.

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which makes me think the entire GFS/GEFS is out to lunch.

I think the lower resolution in general is killing it. The higher res models that can pick up on dynamic cooling are better to go with. The storm will also likely be tighter, so cold air will be pulled into it more efficiently than the GFS shows. I also don't see it hugging the coast all the way up here-it will probably go NNE to a point and then be forced ENE as the progressive upper air features catch it.

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Euro ensembles have the low tucked in decently close but similar to the NAM in many respects with its northeast extension. Pretty perfect if youre just outside the city. Surface temps are 32-36 anywhere west of the city from 42-48 hrs. Ripping snow at that time. 850 0c doesn't get close to Long Island -- it's way off the coast.

Surface temps western long island? Am i going to be swimming on saturday?

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Upton is usually conservative anyways-we'll see what happens.

Overall I like a track similar to the GFS, that hugs or is just off the coast up to near Ocean City/Cape May and then heads ENE as the upper features fully catch up and then haul it out. Thermally, I think the NAM/Euro is far better to go with. Remember, the Euro is usually biased a little too WARM. If they're right, it could be snowing in NYC and even western LI before dark. I think about the first half of what falls there is rain, and maybe some additional as wasted snow. There could be a few inches or so of accumulation anyway there if the bands pivot through long enough. Further NW, it's probably a lock for 6-12" especially in high elevations.

Agree with this, except I think the upper air features do not turn it more ENE but NE. Subtle difference but could have implications for coastal sections with respect to potential snow chances.

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from hpc's model diagnostic discussion regarding the kicker system:

PACIFIC SHORTWAVE MOVING THROUGH THE MIDWEST/GREAT LAKES BY EARLY

MONDAY...

PREFERENCE: GENERAL MODEL COMPROMISE WITH AVERAGE CONFIDENCE

WHEN COMPARING THE GUIDANCE...THE 00Z GEFS MEAN IS THE

STRONGEST/SHARPEST WITH THIS SYSTEM ALOFT...WHILE THE 00Z NAM IS

SLIGHTLY QUICKER WITH ITS PROGRESSION. AS THE FLOW UPSTREAM IS

FLATTENING AND BECOMING MORE ZONAL...IT IS HARD TO ARGUE WITH THE

NAM SOLUTION HERE.

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cant believe youll be seeing 3 inches of snow tommorow...wtf is that about. Drove to morristown last weekend to see a wedding band actually, NJ is nicer than i thought

edit: NORTHERN NJ can be nice tongue.gif

i guess moving down to Charleston may not matter too much for this storm, as my old spot in Hewlett might be getting the same weather we will be here, haha.

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from hpc's model diagnostic discussion regarding the kicker system:

PACIFIC SHORTWAVE MOVING THROUGH THE MIDWEST/GREAT LAKES BY EARLY

MONDAY...

PREFERENCE: GENERAL MODEL COMPROMISE WITH AVERAGE CONFIDENCE

WHEN COMPARING THE GUIDANCE...THE 00Z GEFS MEAN IS THE

STRONGEST/SHARPEST WITH THIS SYSTEM ALOFT...WHILE THE 00Z NAM IS

SLIGHTLY QUICKER WITH ITS PROGRESSION. AS THE FLOW UPSTREAM IS

FLATTENING AND BECOMING MORE ZONAL...IT IS HARD TO ARGUE WITH THE

NAM SOLUTION HERE.

great find.

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from hpc's model diagnostic discussion regarding the kicker system:

PACIFIC SHORTWAVE MOVING THROUGH THE MIDWEST/GREAT LAKES BY EARLY

MONDAY...

PREFERENCE: GENERAL MODEL COMPROMISE WITH AVERAGE CONFIDENCE

WHEN COMPARING THE GUIDANCE...THE 00Z GEFS MEAN IS THE

STRONGEST/SHARPEST WITH THIS SYSTEM ALOFT...WHILE THE 00Z NAM IS

SLIGHTLY QUICKER WITH ITS PROGRESSION. AS THE FLOW UPSTREAM IS

FLATTENING AND BECOMING MORE ZONAL...IT IS HARD TO ARGUE WITH THE

NAM SOLUTION HERE.

Very telling from the HPC. The NAM is backed up by the entire Euro team, and we are still in a nina, so you always have to lean towards the more progressive solution

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This storm is beginning to sound more and more like what was it 2/28/10 where it rained on LI, snowed and rained in queens and NYC and snowed in NJ.. The temps were 35-36 the whole time.. The rain and what not did change over to snow though by nightfall..

I remember leaving a soaking rain in Long Beach to enter a blinding snowstorm in Manhattan that day. The snow/rain line was around Jamaica/Forest Hills or so. On the way back at around 4pm, I about chased the R/S line back home to Long Beach. When I got in, there was about an inch of slush on the grass, and we ended up with 10" or so by the next morning (Central Park 25 miles away had almost two feet). HOWLING winds.

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Ha. The majority of poeple that live outside of NJ believe the entire state looks like the opening scene of the Sopranos. I kid you not.

Pretty sad. New Jersey is beautiful in many locations. It's incredible that you can drive from the rolling watchung hills or Ramapo mountains which are more similar to New England than anything....and be in the heart of New York City in 30 minutes.

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Even the warm GFS gives LGA a ton of snow this time of year. Cut it in half and its still historic.

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I think most of us are locked into a couple or few hour period of fun as the storm pulls away. The main question is if any of the front part of the storm is snow for most of the coastal crew, or if it all comes from the backlash.

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