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2011 Winter Banter Thread


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GFS mjo forecast is trying to push it to phase 7-8 during by the end of the first week of Jan. It's weak but at least it isn't stuck in the COD. GEFS pushes it back into the COD before leaving phase 5 though.

and while the GFS is doing that, the CFS is painting AN temps over the central US the likes of which I've never seen on any of its previous forecast maps for locations so close to us during the winter

http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/people/wwang/cfs_fcst/images3/usT2mMon.gif

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and while the GFS is doing that, the CFS is painting AN temps over the central US the likes of which I've never seen on any of its previous forecast maps for locations so close to us during the winter

http://www.cpc.ncep....s3/usT2mMon.gif

question becomes how accurrate is this model and if so , wow, no winter at all. Hard to envision that, but maybe this is the year for no winter or snow. I,m 64 and can remember a couple of very warm winters , but that is limited to 1 or two, at the most. And most did not go the entire winter. Oh well, nothing you can do about it.

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and while the GFS is doing that, the CFS is painting AN temps over the central US the likes of which I've never seen on any of its previous forecast maps for locations so close to us during the winter

http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/people/wwang/cfs_fcst/images3/usT2mMon.gif

Wow. Those are some warm maps. Of course I'm praying it doesn't happen but I fear 88-89 analog.

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and while the GFS is doing that, the CFS is painting AN temps over the central US the likes of which I've never seen on any of its previous forecast maps for locations so close to us during the winter

http://www.cpc.ncep....s3/usT2mMon.gif

Glass half-full comment: at least the AN temps go away in May and June. Maybe we won't see our third-consecutive epic summer furnace.

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let's do a snow dance till it snows. i dream of snow!!1! it's going to come because we want it to really badly.. really really badly.

Whats the point of having a fan page if you can take people disagreeing with you or pointing out constructive criticism, he said himself hes one track minded this time of year....

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Whats the point of having a fan page if you can take people disagreeing with you or pointing out constructive criticism, he said himself hes one track minded this time of year....

$$$ and/or popularity with the layman.

It doesn't help that I disrespected him, but it is a rather convenient way to get him to notice the post and respond to it. Even after that, I can't respect a meteorologist who completely turns a blind eye to objectivity to wishcast... meteorologists aren't the ones who should be wishcasting. It's degrading to the profession (EDIT: in that it makes me embarrassed with myself and the forecasting community at large to have a colleague speak misinformation to the public).

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question becomes how accurrate is this model and if so , wow, no winter at all. Hard to envision that, but maybe this is the year for no winter or snow. I,m 64 and can remember a couple of very warm winters , but that is limited to 1 or two, at the most. And most did not go the entire winter. Oh well, nothing you can do about it.

past performance is no guarantee of future performance, but it has been a torch now for the east for months, sooooooo...

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past performance is no guarantee of future performance, but it has been a torch now for the east for months, sooooooo...

To put it another way... persistence >> long range noise on the models a good majority of the time. In this case, there's no reason not to go with persistence, keeping the warmth in the East.

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To put it another way... persistence >> long range noise on the models a good majority of the time. In this case, there's no reason not to go with persistence, keeping the warmth in the East.

I would tend to agree but then again...if persistence was the main rule it would just stay warm for eternity. I've always favored patterns ending with a rubber band effect of sorts.

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I would tend to agree but then again...if persistence was the main rule it would just stay warm for eternity. I've always favored patterns ending with a rubber band effect of sorts.

Emphasis on *majority of the time* :P It obviously isn't true all of the time, but when we're in a solid warm pattern and there's no strong indication of it changing other than fantasy-range modelling, persistence is going to win out for the accurately-foreseeable future.

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I would tend to agree but then again...if persistence was the main rule it would just stay warm for eternity. I've always favored patterns ending with a rubber band effect of sorts.

I used to think that way until just recently. When I did the bar graphs for the AO dailies, persistence was typically broken with a shorter duration opposite but less strong deviation. I didn't like seeing that at all. There are a few cases of having a strong anomaly switch to a strong opposite anomaly but it was much more rare then just having shorter duration reprieves from the dominant pattern.

I read your post two ways though and I'm not sure how you define a pattern ending. If our current dominent +AO pattern was to break for a 1-3 weeks before returning to positive, would you define that intermediate break the end +AO pattern?

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dtk

alyourwxpal

Heidi the horrible

maybe a couple more I'm blanking on

"Professional Met" was the criteria, I think. I'm a hack met, snow weenie of the highest order and yield the floor Wes, DTK, Mark, MN Transplant, etc... for op met expertise. Need to know anything about remote sensing, research or government executive practice and I'm your guy... :)

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"Professional Met" was the criteria, I think. I'm a hack met, snow weenie of the highest order and yield the floor Wes, DTK, Mark, MN Transplant, etc... for op met expertise. Need to know anything about remote sensing, research or government executive practice and I'm your guy... :)

I second this...the red tag should actually read "degree in meteorology"...forecasting is just a hobby I'm pretty bad at.

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