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2011 Winter Banter Thread


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far from it

go back and look at all our AN snow winters since 1980 (and I say 1980 because before that date it is not so true)

just about every one was an E QBO; yeah, 2 glaring exceptions and they were the one big storm in the months of 2/83 and 3/93 which were both W QBO winters

but every other great year had an E QBO

I don't know, nor do I care, why

I just know the numbers don't lie

95-96, 02-03 were essentially neutral...Easterly QBO does suggest a higher probability of blocking, but I don't think it is that useful as a standalone index....some of our easterly QBO winters have sucked....

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95-96, 02-03 were essentially neutral...Easterly QBO does suggest a higher probability of blocking, but I don't think it is that useful as a standalone index....some of our easterly QBO winters have sucked....

95/96 and 02/03 DJF were all E QBO (negative), barely so or not, they were E QBO

I agree with you about E QBO winters can be crappy, but my thread explains the key seems to be a dropping QBO beginning June or later (meaning 95/96 and 02/03 qualify); those are the ones that have all been AN snows, if not historic for us

like I said, I don't know why, but the "odds" are in our favor

and when one considers all the very smart and very well respected people who have come up with seasonal forecasts that have crashed and burned, I like the odds of the E QBO with the parameters I mentioned and will not feel embarrassed if it doesn't work this year

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Latest euro isn't as crappy. Not good but at least there is something brewing in TX in days 9-10. As is, there is near zero chance at a threat other than rain. Maybe a Christmas miracle?

it is still far away, but that threat looks improbable for us...the pattern does look better though, but still a pretty frustrating pattern....

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Latest euro isn't as crappy. Not good but at least there is something brewing in TX in days 9-10. As is, there is near zero chance at a threat other than rain. Maybe a Christmas miracle?

for NE and the MW, it has been bad

but for our area, little or no snow through most of DEC is not always the kiss of death

at BWI, there have been more than a few winters with <1" of snow through DEC that ended up with "OK" seasonal snow totals, and a few above normal

obviously, odds don't favor a great year when you essentially cut off a 1/3 of the season, but I still expect JAN, and possibly MAR, to perform around here

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It really is a frustrating pattern. I started getting worried in mid Nov but my weenie side kept telling me otherwise. I know hindsight is 20/20 and all but it was pretty clear early on in Nov that Dec was in trouble. Just pull up the AO graph from September on. That was just one of the many indications that we were potentially headed for trouble.

Seeing the static state of the pac and atl is a bummer because it doesn't even give hope for a "freak" event. At least not this month anyway.

I agree with most about Jan - Feb though. We have plenty of cold air nearby and there have been plenty of precip makers around. We just need them to be introduced to each other.

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FWIW...DT's still honking about a major stratospheric sudden warming (SSW). If true, that could serve to flip the AO to negative and give us a much better chance at cold air locking in.

we have a met at the government facility I work at...he mentioned SSW as a strong possibility because of the persistient AO and may change things in a big way after Xmas...does anyone here think this is likely to occur. is it something that would be evident on the models? Just curious.

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we have a met at the government facility I work at...he mentioned SSW as a strong possibility because of the persistient AO and may change things in a big way after Xmas...does anyone here think this is likely to occur. is it something that would be evident on the models? Just curious.

What does SSW stand for? Thanks

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for 5 days out it's not that good even for a cold rain.. i mean it only needs half a whiff to go bad already. the 500 vort is kinda meh and not a great pass--interesting to see if it continues and then also if that vort ends up a little more robust, the overall 500 pattern is super ugly. i guess at least there's a high to the north.

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I'm watching the weekend low with passion now. It has been showing up continuously on the ensembles. Anything after this weekend looks meh so I'm hoping something materializes.

we've seen these setups a number of times the last few Ninas and they don't work out....there is never any moisture in the cold sector....

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Probably, it's always too good to be true down here in the sub-tropics. Awaiting stronger model support...

0z euro is pretty much the same as 12Z....gets a tiny bit of moisture up here.....don't get too attached to this one.....we saw this last winter and even with a better setup they either didn't materialize at all or there was some pixie dust and a cartop trace for someone.....

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For what it's worth the 00Z Euro ensemble followed the 12Z with showing a pretty strong signal on height rises for Western Canada into Alaska for the 7 to 10 day period. 00Z GFS ensemble while a weaker signal is also showing hints of this as well. The GFS also looks as if it wants to build heights into Greenland though this seems somewhat transitory in nature.

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Wxtrix got banned from OT. Totally disagree with that but it's kind of funny. She is now just a weather poster. First time I've laughted this terrible winter

LOL...has she been banned / susp. before? Funny I just made a little stink about it in a different thread.

Yeah...that zero line is exciting to see, but I've learned my lessen about trusting it. I'm getting an itch to see snow bad though...so my weenism will be hard to restrain.

I did like that CWG was posting already about the White Christmas chances by statistics and such. I think I RT'd one of their tweets. If not, I likely will. Kinda hate how everyone always asks about it. I also hate how everyone (well everyone as in the gen. public) always has these phantom memories of many white Christmases (and other Dec. Holidays).

At least the cold today was enjoyable. In Alexandria it was great when the sun was shining on ya. Reminded me a little of Denver (cold but sunny).

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