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And we're off - first threat for a few mangled flakes


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Awesome run-glad to see the Euro isn't backing down. If it shows this tomorrow at 12z, it becomes a lot more likely.

I fully agree that the best chances at accums are inland and 500 foot or higher. If the heights are crashing fast enough under the low, NYC and environs could see a period of snow at the end, but it would be very hard for any accumulation unless it was very heavy. The more this can occur at night, the better.

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The Wunderground maps are really cool. But to reiterate what others have said, the snowfall algorithm is way too optimistic (and will be problematic all winter I predict). It is too broad-brushed, especially for October. It assumes that anyplace that is mixing with snowflakes is actually accumulating snow at a 10:1 ratio. Summit of Hunter Mt - yes, Hudson River waterfront at Tarrytown - No.

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Very important to note that the boundary layer temperatures portrayed are poor to begin with. The setup is nice but unfortunately it's like a whole bunch of rain changing to dynamic snow at the very tail end. The interior will fare better and may get some light accumulations.

If you have your hopes set higher than that--you're going to be disappointed.

Im loving my location right now for this storm.. :)

Even with 8:1 ratios its still a 6"+ for my neck of the woods. Of course thats if you take this euro run seriously..

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The consistency of the euro is scary, and makes me believe that most of us will see our first snowfall. I would expect that even NYC in this setup could sustain a few hours of snowfall, but only minimal or no accumulation. I do believe this setup would be favorable for interior locations with higher elevation such as Mahwah, West Milford, and Vernon just to name a few. Those areas have the best chance of seeing snowfall accumulations in excess of 3 inches (areas N of 80 and W of 287). This of course is all based on the euro runs, which could ultimately change. But if there is one thing I learned last year, when the EURO shows the same solution several runs in a row, it is often a good indication. And this is all despite what any other model depicts. I would love to see even just snowflakes falling from the sky this weekend. Miami comes to town to play the Giants, seems appropriate.

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The GFS started showing this storm on October 15, then like clockwork, it lost it at roughly 6 days out, only to pick it up again on the next run this evening I suppose.

The consistency of the euro is scary, and makes me believe that most of us will see our first snowfall. I would expect that even NYC in this setup could sustain a few hours of snowfall, but only minimal or no accumulation. I do believe this setup would be favorable for interior locations with higher elevation such as Mahwah, West Milford, and Vernon just to name a few. Those areas have the best chance of seeing snowfall accumulations in excess of 3 inches (areas N of 80 and W of 287). This of course is all based on the euro runs, which could ultimately change. But if there is one thing I learned last year, when the EURO shows the same solution several runs in a row, it is often a good indication. And this is all despite what any other model depicts. I would love to see even just snowflakes falling from the sky this weekend. Miami comes to town to play the Giants, seems appropriate.

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I think you would need quite a bit of heavy wet snow to cause alot of damage. I was in State College when we had 17" in November of 95 and there were alot of limbs down due to most of the trees having leaves on them. The temp stayed between 32 and 33 the entire event

Could be a tough one for tree limbs that have not shed their leaves yet. Esp. inland at higher elevations.

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The GFS started showing this storm on October 15, then like clockwork, it lost it at roughly 6 days out, only to pick it up again on the next run this evening I suppose.

Yea the scary thing is the models seem to be following the same pattern that occurred last year leading up to certain events. I remember when the EURO depicted several runs in a row a big snowstorm for the DEC 26 event. A lot of skepticism was raised because of lack of support even though earlier the GFS had hinted at the possibility.

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I think you would need quite a bit of heavy wet snow to cause alot of damage. I was in State College when we had 17" in November of 95 and there were alot of limbs down due to most of the trees having leaves on them. The temp stayed between 32 and 33 the entire event

Just a few inches of snow on some of these branches can cause quite a bit of damage. Some of these trees have also likely been weakened by Irene and the heavy rain producers in August. In State College, I saw tree damage from just a few inches of snow in Oct 2005 (and some areas could get significantly more than that well up in the hills).

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Just a few inches of snow on some of these branches can cause quite a bit of damage. Some of these trees have also likely been weakened by Irene and the heavy rain producers in August. In State College, I saw tree damage from just a few inches of snow in Oct 2005 (and some areas could get significantly more than that well up in the hills).

The standard here is April 1996...and there were no leaves on the trees. What a mess...there was more stuff to cart away than after Irene.

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The standard here is April 1996...and there were no leaves on the trees. What a mess...there was more stuff to cart away than after Irene.

I remember it snowing then, but it being a garden-variety snow event (I'm a lot closer to NYC where the urban heat island likely hurt). 4/7/03 was a bigger deal for us, but we lucked out with not having any leafed trees. 1/27 last year damaged some of the evergreens and pine trees because the 16" we had was very wet/pasty and packed with sleet. It became like a cement.

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Just a few inches of snow on some of these branches can cause quite a bit of damage. Some of these trees have also likely been weakened by Irene and the heavy rain producers in August. In State College, I saw tree damage from just a few inches of snow in Oct 2005 (and some areas could get significantly more than that well up in the hills).

Agree, up this way there are some trees that were damaged along streams from Irene . A little bit of snow can bring some of them down.

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