TheTrials Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 Might have been the November 14th noreaster. State College, PA had 17" of snow with temps hovering at 32-33 the entire event. Just 3 days prior we were in the 60s and an incredibly strong cold front moved through with 80 mph wind gusts. We went from 58 and rain to 34 with 1" of snow on the ground less than 4 hours later. The odd thing about that was it was basically the start of winter and a pretty crazy 60 day period. The snow pretty much shut off out there by mid January as the Feb noreasters that hit the east coast missed the interior. It was the 14th, couldn't remember the date, its not on Famartins site. The storm actually came inland but started out over the delmarva. Perfect track for State College. I was in 11th grade at the time and watched it snow all day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishRob17 Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 Might have been the November 14th noreaster. State College, PA had 17" of snow with temps hovering at 32-33 the entire event. Just 3 days prior we were in the 60s and an incredibly strong cold front moved through with 80 mph wind gusts. We went from 58 and rain to 34 with 1" of snow on the ground less than 4 hours later. The odd thing about that was it was basically the start of winter and a pretty crazy 60 day period. The snow pretty much shut off out there by mid January as the Feb noreasters that hit the east coast missed the interior. You triggered my memory, that is the one because I now remember it happening on my parents anniversary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTrials Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 You triggered my memory, that is the one because I now remember it happening on my parents anniversary. Yes, nice job by him. Flakes started around 7am that morning and it was like 36/37 degrees and then it started ripping till 4pm when it flipped over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supermeh Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 great loop of the NAM showing the classic davis straight block and pv/sub-pv rotating around the block into 50/50 position and then up and out from there. Also watch a little energy off the back side of the pv dive into the trough. Beautiful. http://mag.ncep.noaa...el=&imageSize=M Perfect Timing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTrials Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 NAM still east but marked improvement at 500mb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaoPos Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 NAM still east but marked improvement at 500mb. it's getting there. The s/w only digs into KY, not northern GA like the euro/gfs are showing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allsnow Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 NAM still east but marked improvement at 500mb. Yeah crazy diff between 06z and 12z....the new ncep site for the models not that bad when you get use to it. Im sure its hell on a phone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tornadojay Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 There is a lot of vorticity advection with the NAM. I wouldn't be surprised if it's underdoing the westward extent of the precip shield and if the surface reflection is a bit too far east. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormlover74 Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 It was a great storm. we had an inch or so of snow on the ground from the previous days which I think helped keep the surface temps right around freezing. There was a huge debate up at the weather station as to whether we could get that kind of a storm that early in the year. Most of the day it was light on and off snow/freezing drizzle type stuff and around 4pm the heavy stuff started and it just went 2" an hour for about 8 hours straight. Big huge flakes that stuck to everything and piled up. Most of the trees still had foliage so there was lot of branches down and damage. Those years starting with the Dec 92 storm through Jan 96 were some pretty incredible winters for that part of the country as most of the storms tracked inland enough to take the heaviest snow out there and keep it cold enough. Here's a little blurb on the NWS site, can't find anything more on the storm online: November 1995 Snowstorm - Heavy snow fell across the central mountains on the 15th with totals of 10 to 32 inches. Massive tree damage occurred throughout central Pennsylvania as some leaves were still on the trees. Yes, nice job by him. Flakes started around 7am that morning and it was like 36/37 degrees and then it started ripping till 4pm when it flipped over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allsnow Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 As a side note, I didn't realize Rutgers was so special for that October '08 snowfall. I remember the event fairly well in New Brunswick (the sound of trees/branches cracking could be heard all around campus) but I didn't realize it was that localized and that everyone knew it happened here. /random Yeah very localized jake....I live in Edison closer to fords and had a trace.......the state was supposedly salting and Plowing roads near u. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTrials Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 It was a great storm. we had an inch or so of snow on the ground from the previous days which I think helped keep the surface temps right around freezing. There was a huge debate up at the weather station as to whether we could get that kind of a storm that early in the year. Most of the day it was light on and off snow/freezing drizzle type stuff and around 4pm the heavy stuff started and it just went 2" an hour for about 8 hours straight. Big huge flakes that stuck to everything and piled up. Most of the trees still had foliage so there was lot of branches down and damage. Those years starting with the Dec 92 storm through Jan 96 were some pretty incredible winters for that part of the country as most of the storms tracked inland enough to take the heaviest snow out there and keep it cold enough. Here's a little blurb on the NWS site, can't find anything more on the storm online: November 1995 Snowstorm - Heavy snow fell across the central mountains on the 15th with totals of 10 to 32 inches. Massive tree damage occurred throughout central Pennsylvania as some leaves were still on the trees. I remember in the December 92 storm no one thought I would see snow up in Orange County. I saw 10 inches overnight Thursday to Friday A.M from the first wave that flooded NYC etc and then it snowed the rest of the day Friday (didn't accumulate) and then cooled down Friday night and snowed into Saturday. A lot of tree damage and it caught everyeone by surprise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturn510 Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 Yeah very localized jake....I live in Edison closer to fords and had a trace.......the state was supposedly salting and Plowing roads near u. Had about 1.5 inches in East and North brunswick. It seems like accumulations were from princeton - the brunswicks for the October 2008 storm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jm1220 Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 It was a great storm. we had an inch or so of snow on the ground from the previous days which I think helped keep the surface temps right around freezing. There was a huge debate up at the weather station as to whether we could get that kind of a storm that early in the year. Most of the day it was light on and off snow/freezing drizzle type stuff and around 4pm the heavy stuff started and it just went 2" an hour for about 8 hours straight. Big huge flakes that stuck to everything and piled up. Most of the trees still had foliage so there was lot of branches down and damage. Those years starting with the Dec 92 storm through Jan 96 were some pretty incredible winters for that part of the country as most of the storms tracked inland enough to take the heaviest snow out there and keep it cold enough. Here's a little blurb on the NWS site, can't find anything more on the storm online: November 1995 Snowstorm - Heavy snow fell across the central mountains on the 15th with totals of 10 to 32 inches. Massive tree damage occurred throughout central Pennsylvania as some leaves were still on the trees. I heard stories about that one (11/14/95) when I was up there. I think the worst of it was through central PA and into WV, but even valleys had significant snow-I think Scranton/WB had 7-8". Didn't some Laurel Mtn areas receive well over two feet? Incredible for anytime of year particularly November. The tree damage was prolific I heard. I saw even a few inches cause damage back in Oct 2005 there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 Buffalo back in October of 2006 is probably the benchmark for October snow. http://www.erh.noaa....torm101206.html Even though plenty of damage resulted already in the first few inches, total snowfall in this event was simply unbelievable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allsnow Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 Had about 1.5 inches in East and North brunswick. It seems like accumulations were from princeton - the brunswicks for the October 2008 storm Yeah around the Trenton are did well also.....nw jersey really jackpoted that event....chester nj I believe had a foot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty Lightning Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 Yeah around the Trenton are did well also.....nw jersey really jackpoted that event....chester nj I believe had a foot. They had about 10". I remember that storm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormlover74 Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 It was confined to areas above 1000-1500 feet. I think Schooley's Mt. area had 11" or something Yeah around the Trenton are did well also.....nw jersey really jackpoted that event....chester nj I believe had a foot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isotherm Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 Yeah around the Trenton are did well also.....nw jersey really jackpoted that event....chester nj I believe had a foot. Had nothing more than a trace in Monmouth County for that event, just never cooled below 34-35F at the surface, so it barely stuck to the grass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUNNAWAYICEBERG Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 upton downplaying any shot at SN in their discussion..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTrials Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 upton downplaying any shot at SN in their discussion..... a smart move given the climo and the shifting in the models. Also, it poses very little travel risk for sticking snow for the populated areas. They can easily adjust and not have it screw anythign up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allsnow Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 They had about 10". I remember that storm. Yeah I went to tag my xmass tree the next weekend. All that was left was plow piles and tons of tree damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUNNAWAYICEBERG Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 a smart move given the climo and the shifting in the models. Also, it poses very little travel risk for sticking snow for the populated areas. They can easily adjust and not have it screw anythign up. agreed.... but in a discussion format like that, where mostly the harcore weather folks browse, you would think they would at least mention the outside shot of measurable snow in the hills as depicted on euro, ya know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormlover74 Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 Yeah they said a few places had up to 32". Nothing really compares though to the 93-94 winter. 4" of snow on halloween, Snow on ground every day from Dec. 21 thru the end of March. Lost count of how many snow events we actually had. Around 30" from the early March nor'easter. Had close to 3 feet on the ground at one point. Hit -20 during the January arctic outbreak. I heard stories about that one (11/14/95) when I was up there. I think the worst of it was through central PA and into WV, but even valleys had significant snow-I think Scranton/WB had 7-8". Didn't some Laurel Mtn areas receive well over two feet? Incredible for anytime of year particularly November. The tree damage was prolific I heard. I saw even a few inches cause damage back in Oct 2005 there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUNNAWAYICEBERG Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 and then you have Mt Holly stating this: .LONG TERM /FRIDAY THROUGH WEDNESDAY/... HIGH PRESSURE WILL BUILD ACROSS THE AREA FRIDAY AND REMAIN THROUGH FRIDAY NIGHT. THIS WILL BRING DRY AND COOL WEATHER TO THE AREA. THERE WILL BE AN INCREASE IN CLOUDS LATER FRIDAY AND FRIDAY NIGHT AS THE NEXT SYSTEM APPROACHES. THE FCST MODELS INDICATE THAT LOW PRESSURE WILL DEVELOP OFF THE CAROLINA COAST FRIDAY AND THE MOVE NORTHEAST OFF THE DE/NJ COAST SAT. THE NAM AND GFS KEEP THE LOW FURTHER EAST THE THE ECMWF MODEL. THE POSITION AND STRENGTH OF THE SYSTEM WILL DETERMINE HOW MUCH QPF AND IN WHAT FORM OCCURS. THE LATEST ECMWF CONTINUES TO SHOW A STUNNING EARLY SEASON SNOWFALL FOR MUCH OF THE NRN HALF OF NJ WITH THE NCEP WWD OFFICE LEANING TOWARD ITS SOLUTION. THE GFS ALSO HAS SOME SNOWFALL...BUT LIGHTER TOTALS. THE NAM REMAINS MOSTLY TOO WARM FOR SNOW WITH MAINLY RAIN AND PERHAPS SOME LIGHT SNOW AT THE END. WE WILL BE CLOSELY FOLLOWING THIS SYSTEM LATER TODAY AND FRI. THE LOW WILL MOVE NORTHEAST SAT NIGHT AND HIGH PRESSURE WILL BUILD BACK IN FOR SUN. THE SUN AND SUN NIGHT PERIODS WILL BE DRY WITH COOL TEMPERATURES. CONTINUED DIFFERENCES IN THE MODELS EARLY NEXT WEEK WILL LEAD ME TO JUST MAINTAIN THE SMALL CHCS FOR PRECIP WITH A RATHER LOW CONFID FCST. BOTH THE GFS/ECMWF SEEM TO INDICATE ANOTHER COASTAL STORM MAY AFFECT THE SRN HALF OF THE AREA NEXT TUE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psv88 Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 Cold front moved through past hour or so, temps have dropped 6-7 degrees past hour or two. http://www.nws.noaa.gov/data/obhistory/KFRG.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUNNAWAYICEBERG Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 i was always in Mt Holly area all my life and just recently moved to uptons area......ive seen people complain about upton in the past and not that its a big deal right now cuz its OCT. but shoot, are they always slow in informing in their viewers? i mean, a good portion of their coverage is N of the city and they are going with a gfs / euro blend at the moment which would still give the hills a shot at SN....yet they pretty much dismiss it. even mentioning the robust euro solution, they still dont talk SN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormlover74 Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 I guess because it's the first of the season they felt the need for an advisory but is a frost advisory really warranted for tonight? I would think the clouds and wind would make it fairly difficult for frost to form. Cold front moved through past hour or so, temps have dropped 6-7 degrees past hour or two. http://www.nws.noaa....story/KFRG.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian5671 Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 i was always in Mt Holly area all my life and just recently moved to uptons area......ive seen people complain about upton in the past and not that its a big deal right now cuz its OCT. but shoot, are they always slow in informing in their viewers? i mean, a good portion of their coverage is N of the city and they are going with a gfs / euro blend at the moment which would still give the hills a shot at SN....yet they pretty much dismiss it. even mentioning the robust euro solution, they still dont talk SN. Upton is allways ultra-conservative.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allsnow Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 I guess because it's the first of the season they felt the need for an advisory but is a frost advisory really warranted for tonight? I would think the clouds and wind would make it fairly difficult for frost to form. Forecast is for those area to clear out before midnight. Winds seem a bit strong, forecast low of 35 here that would be my lowest of the fall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jm1220 Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 Upton is allways ultra-conservative.... Probably wise for them to be at this stage. Those weenie Euro maps from last night that showed several inches or more snow even at the coast have like a 1 in 500 chance of happening. In terms of impact near the coast wind/waves/flooding would be a much greater threat than snow but the first flakes of the season will be awesome to see regardless. Any accums would be a huge bonus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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