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the October snowstorm Ian Disaster its going to be a long winter thread


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All I know is if I see accumulation, a dusting or even just big wet snow flakes... Ian was wrong.

My initial thoughts were almost exactly the same as Wes'. I don't really have new thoughts yet but obviously it looks a bit better. I've also seen plenty of early season elevation events in several places so I remain rather skeptical.

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Its going to have to be something with a bit of punch.. maybe some instability aloft or something like seen in some of the SNE skew t's for today.

best case scenario...stronger system, well established deformation band...snow mixing in/changing over to with heavier rates...rain to snow back to rain as it lifts out...this storms reminds me of being back in the south and battling the boundary layer temps.

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we probably also need deform. id be skeptical of a late switch to snow with light/mod rain prior. how often do we flip to snow here?

We do need the deformation zone and for the precipitation to be at least moderate for most of us. I note that the not so good NAM has the surface temp at 9C or so on Saturday with its more eastern and weaker track.

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best case scenario...stronger system, well established deformation band...snow mixing in/changing over to with heavier rates...rain to snow back to rain as it lifts out...this storms reminds me of being back in the south and battling the boundary layer temps.

It requires something almost perfect.. Which would cause one to naturally throw out a red flag.. But at least it is not being portrayed six days out..

What is time (EST) timeframe for possible snowfall at Towson for this? We play Delaware at home @7 PM.

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We do need the deformation zone and for the precipitation to be at least moderate for most of us. I note that the not so good NAM has the surface temp at 9C or so on Saturday with its more eastern and weaker track.

It would also help to have the heavier rates set in before sunrise...

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I know the synoptic set-up is quite different, but could this storm resemble (as far as outcome is concerned) the late February 2008 storm where rain was predicted and we ended up with about 3-5 inches area wide and a WSW as the snow tapered off?

Even still that was late Feb not late Oct.

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It would but even early in the morning would work. The sun is a late meteorological winter sun. There just isn't much cold around because of the time of year.

That's an important note too. This is a super marginal airmass. There is no really cold air to draw on.

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It's all dynamics....it will either be enough or not...nothing is going to trend colder.

i have oct 2005 dancing in my head as a "big" scenario around here -- sitting in endicott ny on a ridge overlooking the river valley. deform band overhead all day with mod/hvy snow that didnt stick. i went up to BGM airport and there was about 5" of snow on the ground. went down toward the river and it flipped to all rain by about 500' and never changed.

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But DT will be right. I'm torn.

I view it as a win win either way - If the Euro ends up mostly correct, Ian is wrong. If the Euro goes bonkers and we get cold rain with no snow, then DT was wrong. Too bad I cannot troll DT anymore.

Sorry Ian, better hope you are right, otherwise you will probably ban me from you FB/Twitter too.

My initial thoughts were almost exactly the same as Wes'. I don't really have new thoughts yet but obviously it looks a bit better. I've also seen plenty of early season elevation events in several places so I remain rather skeptical.

I see nothing wrong with remaining nuetral as of now, but I have tweets from you earlier this week claiming victory. So, you can bet you will be trolled with that come Saturday if I see some snow :wub:

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i have oct 2005 dancing in my head as a "big" scenario around here -- sitting in endicott ny on a ridge overlooking the river valley. deform band overhead all day with mod/hvy snow that didnt stick. i went up to BGM airport and there was about 5" of snow on the ground. went down toward the river and it flipped to all rain by about 500' and never changed.

not a bad comparison of what might transpire...

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I view it as a win win either way - If the Euro ends up mostly correct, Ian is wrong. If the Euro goes bonkers and we get cold rain with no snow, then DT was wrong. Too bad I cannot troll DT anymore.

Sorry Ian, better hope you are right, otherwise you will probably ban me from you FB/Twitter too.

I see nothing wrong with remaining nuetral as of now, but I have tweets from you earlier this week claiming victory. So, you can bet you will be trolled with that come Saturday if I see some snow :wub:

you and ji were exchanging tweets about me and dt. i made one short reply that i'd be victorious. im not dumb enough to think that 5 days out i knew all the answers.

honestly.. dt might not have a bad call here. he never called for snow accum around here. those who never forecast and just troll get annoying sometimes even if they're buds.

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we need it to bomb, which it does on the Euro and Ukie; it's that simple

once the American models show the same bomb as those 2, we will have a model consensus

I know, but it all seems too unrealistic for us. We can't even get stuff to go right in our prime snow season down here. Oh, and check ya email.

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