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the October snowstorm Ian Disaster its going to be a long winter thread


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if nothing else, we'll get an idea of which model(s) will be the better of the lot for the coming season

It's the damn NS stuff. Doesn't matter which model. They'll both suck or be great on and off all season.

Such little change in amplitude = big dif in outcome

This year will be similar to last year irt to solutions and accuracy. I guess the one think I like about it is that we can be surprised too and not just deflated. Of course, I would much prefer a nino with nothing but miller A's but hey, that's just me.

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It's the damn NS stuff. Doesn't matter which model. They'll both suck or be great on and off all season.

Such little change in amplitude = big dif in outcome

This year will be similar to last year irt to solutions and accuracy. I guess the one think I like about it is that we can be surprised too and not just deflated. Of course, I would much prefer a nino with nothing but miller A's but hey, that's just me.

Surprise would require a healthy dose of snow/model cynicism...which I suppose is required in this area unless you want to drive yourself insane.

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12z GFS still says "no" to the 2nd storm this weekend, but it does eventually pop a low well offshore. A guess that's a step in the right direction, since I don't believe it had anything develop (at least on the last run I saw). 12z run also keeps the trend of the last several runs of showing a superbomb/500 closed low coming out of the Plains in fantasyland. It's extra fantastical since it makes no meteorological sense, but makes some sexy porn at hrs 300-312. What are the winter analogs for years when we have the GFS and the Euro already showing bombing east-coast lows by the end of October?

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12z GFS still says "no" to the 2nd storm this weekend, but it does eventually pop a low well offshore. A guess that's a step in the right direction, since I don't believe it had anything develop (at least on the last run I saw). 12z run also keeps the trend of the last several runs of showing a superbomb/500 closed low coming out of the Plains in fantasyland. It's extra fantastical since it makes no meteorological sense, but makes some sexy porn at hrs 300-312. What are the winter analogs for years when we have the GFS and the Euro already showing bombing east-coast lows by the end of October?

Do you remember an NCEP ensemble low track product? I think I do but can't find it.

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Perhaps a single flake? :rolleyes: I don't have the BWI weather records, but the temperature range at DCA that day was 46-61.

Well I find it interesting because BWI has only had snowfall 8 times in October since records have been kept (and 5 of those were just trace events). And one of those happens to be in 2003 so I figured it would've been memorable to... someone. But yeah I guess it could've just been one flake amidst all the rain. That day it was 60 High, 43 Low at BWI according to the records. I'm just curious what the setup was.

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Hmmm...pretty hard to snow at 43 (or higher). Possible, but takes a pretty special environment that's not too common around here. What were temps the next day? Did a big cold front blast through or something? If temps the next day were about the same, I call BS on that.

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Well I find it interesting because BWI has only had snowfall 8 times in October since records have been kept (and 5 of those were just trace events). And one of those happens to be in 2003 so I figured it would've been memorable to... someone. But yeah I guess it could've just been one flake amidst all the rain. That day it was 60 High, 43 Low at BWI according to the records. I'm just curious what the setup was.

According to Weather Underground, the low was 44, but they don't mention any snow; see http://www.wundergro...eq_statename=NA
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