on_wx Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 The winter of 2007-08 was something to remember everywhere. Wat-Wel airport picked up 251.4cm (98.9"). Discounting Pearson's lowballing, the Toronto area picked up ~210-230cm (~85-90") depending on the location. It wasn't that much more spectacular over there. Sometimes you give the impression that Mississauga's climate is akin to that of southern Virginia's. 98.9" for 07-08 I'll have to go back and check records I thought it was only 97". Nov 07 we had between 6.7" and 20.4"by December 5 I think quite a large margin of error going to have to check when I get back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago WX Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 Pretty good rainfall for Indiana with yesterday's system. MIE: 1.17" SBN: 1.15" EVV: 1.12" FWA: 1.07" LAF: 0.98" GEZ: 0.97" IND: 0.86" EYE: 0.67" HUF: 0.62" BMG: 0.55" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kab2791 Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 Yeah you and the Michigan/northern Indiana boys would have been out celebrating and taking pics tonight lol. Always hate to see a good deformation band go to waste this late into the fall, but it is only November. You aren't kidding DTW: 1.86 DET: 1.59 ADG: 1.98 YIP: 1.56 A lot of 1.2"-2.2" totals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogueWaves Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 You aren't kidding DTW: 1.86 DET: 1.59 ADG: 1.98 YIP: 1.56 A lot of 1.2"-2.2" totals Was driving home from GR last evening and saw the "half flake rain drops" and thinking what an awesome storm we're just missing here in S. Michigan. Typical bs, we get great "over performers" when its too warm to snow. At least 2nd time this fall including Oct-19. Just hoping that the deck is stacked with these systems and we can get some cold enough air around here sooner than later. Be a serious let down if the cold finally plows through and pushes all the big action to the EC again like early last year (and '81 I might add) = I really want a good December for the Lower Lakes/OHV! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonger Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 Looks like no winter though mid-Dec at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 Was driving home from GR last evening and saw the "half flake rain drops" and thinking what an awesome storm we're just missing here in S. Michigan. Typical bs, we get great "over performers" when its too warm to snow. At least 2nd time this fall including Oct-19. Just hoping that the deck is stacked with these systems and we can get some cold enough air around here sooner than later. Be a serious let down if the cold finally plows through and pushes all the big action to the EC again like early last year (and '81 I might add) = I really want a good December for the Lower Lakes/OHV! We had a lot of over performers for snow last winter. Weve had a lot of overperformers period. And while I too want a good December for the Lakes (looks like cold/snow may come in right as the calendar turns to December)...I would take the winter of 2010-11 or 1981-82 in a HEARTBEAT. Detroit saw 74" in 1981-82 which is their 3rd snowiest winter and 69.1" in 2010-11 which is the 5th snowiest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 Looks like no winter though mid-Dec at least. where are you getting that idea from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 Couldnt believe how much rain we got here last night! Got 2.13" of rain, which was the 3rd largest storm total this year. Now at 3.17" for November and 48.94" of precip since Jan 1st. Wow what a stormy year! Never before have I seen a year with this many precip events droppingf over 1"+ liquid precip 1.13” – Feb 20/21 (10.2” snow) 1.08” – Feb 27/28 (T snow) 1.40” – Mar 4-6 (4.7” snow) 1.31” – May 15/16 1.85” – May 25 2.30” – July 2 3.20” – July 27/28 1.43” – Aug 8/9 1.30" - Sep 7/8 1.00” – Sept 10 1.26” – Sept 19 1.05” – Sept 26 1.44” – Oct 18/19 2.13” – Nov 22/23 (note there were also 5 additional events with over 0.80"). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogueWaves Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 We had a lot of over performers for snow last winter. Weve had a lot of overperformers period. And while I too want a good December for the Lakes (looks like cold/snow may come in right as the calendar turns to December)...I would take the winter of 2010-11 or 1981-82 in a HEARTBEAT. Detroit saw 74" in 1981-82 which is their 3rd snowiest winter and 69.1" in 2010-11 which is the 5th snowiest. Okay, so I forgot to add "end of rant" to my post. I like your positive attitude towards SEMI winters/snow and will agree that we in S. Michigan have been doing great for the last decade or so compared to the prior two. Also, I think YBY did better on two systems last winter than MBY. The mid-December MSP special was only 3" or so here vs. the 7" in parts of SEMI. Then, the system in 3rd week of Feb. was a nice storm from Lansing ESE into and through metro Detroit but again gave me only 3" (+/-). I really only had one notable event last winter, GHD "bliz" with about 11-12" (on top of 6" which had slowly built from minor clippers/les during Dec/Jan) which briefly gave me a 17" snow depth which nobody at this latitude/location can complain about one bit. And, yes I'll take an '81-82 repeat in a heartbeat! Even if it was Jan 30 (my dad's birthday) before the first serious storm hit up in Genesee county where I was living attm. We had 4" maybe a day before Christmas which is always nice, but then stayed colder than h*ll in January as storms hammered N. MI and other areas before coming into SEMI at the end of the month through Feb and March, heck even into April. Serious back-ended winter that year. Idk, probably just spoiled from my 7 yrs in N. Mich where 90" by Christmas was not out of the question. But, I'd take a repeat of '77/78 down here too, early & often - giddy-up.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 Okay, so I forgot to add "end of rant" to my post. I like your positive attitude towards SEMI winters/snow and will agree that we in S. Michigan have been doing great for the last decade or so compared to the prior two. Also, I think YBY did better on two systems last winter than MBY. The mid-December MSP special was only 3" or so here vs. the 7" in parts of SEMI. Then, the system in 3rd week of Feb. was a nice storm from Lansing ESE into and through metro Detroit but again gave me only 3" (+/-). I really only had one notable event last winter, GHD "bliz" with about 11-12" (on top of 6" which had slowly built from minor clippers/les during Dec/Jan) which briefly gave me a 17" snow depth which nobody at this latitude/location can complain about one bit. And, yes I'll take an '81-82 repeat in a heartbeat! Even if it was Jan 30 (my dad's birthday) before the first serious storm hit up in Genesee county where I was living attm. We had 4" maybe a day before Christmas which is always nice, but then stayed colder than h*ll in January as storms hammered N. MI and other areas before coming into SEMI at the end of the month through Feb and March, heck even into April. Serious back-ended winter that year. Idk, probably just spoiled from my 7 yrs in N. Mich where 90" by Christmas was not out of the question. But, I'd take a repeat of '77/78 down here too, early & often - giddy-up.. Agree! Yes the two storms you named did do better here, we got 6.3" on Dec 12th and 10.2" on Feb 20/21st. Actually SE MI got more snow than SW MI last winter, and that is quite rare. But overall when you look at it, there has been just one winter (2005-06) in the past 11 years where no one area in S MI had above normal snowfall (of course a majority of the winters all of S MI was above normal). Also agree about the snow depth last Feb, it hit 16" here and thats very good for this area. Basically the early 1970s to late 1980s were a stretch of very snowy (and cold) winters, with a few very noticeable duds (79-80 and 82-83) thrown in, then the late 1980s through the late 1990s were a decade of duds, with a few good ones (92-93, 93-94, bliz99) thrown in. And once again, we have now entered a stretch that seems even better than the 1970s-80s stretch. It just seems to snow, snow, snow each winter, and we think "wow we have to be due for a dud sooner or later" but as of yet, the snow keeps on coming, so til we have some proof that this anamalously snowy cycle is ending, why doubt it If it aint broke, PLEASE dont fix it ma nature! And how lucky you were to spend some winters in northern MI!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mississaugasnow Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 haha ya, but that's because I live right on the water. My temperature and precip types are normally much closer to Toronto Islands reports then Pearson. Aside from that year which I remember mostly cause of the massive march snowstorm, I always worry about mixing. The lake does have its benefits though, in some snowstorms I'm able to get in on the lake enhancement, so its a love hate relationship lol The winter of 2007-08 was something to remember everywhere. Wat-Wel airport picked up 251.4cm (98.9"). Discounting Pearson's lowballing, the Toronto area picked up ~210-230cm (~85-90") depending on the location. It wasn't that much more spectacular over there. Sometimes you give the impression that Mississauga's climate is akin to that of southern Virginia's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
River Card Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 From Big Daddy over at accu: Weird pattern, green turkey day and maybe golf around xmas... What I believe we are seeing in the modeling is the difficulty in handling a typical La Nina pattern and the splitting of the jet off the Pacific Northwest coast. In a typical La Nina pattern, you see the jet splitting with the main thrust of the jet going across Canada and a southern stream heading across California and the Southwest and southern Plains. I think the problem lies with the southern jet and how the models are handling the jet once it gets over the southern Rockies. The consensus is to form a closed low that drifts across the country in some manner causing areas of showers and thunderstorms. What I don't see right now beyond today are any major snowstorms east of the Rockies. I know there has been some concern that the GFS brings the cold into the East toward the end of the period, but I have seen that on the model just about every run for the last several weeks. The way I going in all this is to keep a persistent pattern into the first two weeks of December with warmth overwhelming the East and storminess centered across the West, specifically the Northwest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 From Big Daddy over at accu: Weird pattern, green turkey day and maybe golf around xmas... What I believe we are seeing in the modeling is the difficulty in handling a typical La Nina pattern and the splitting of the jet off the Pacific Northwest coast. In a typical La Nina pattern, you see the jet splitting with the main thrust of the jet going across Canada and a southern stream heading across California and the Southwest and southern Plains. I think the problem lies with the southern jet and how the models are handling the jet once it gets over the southern Rockies. The consensus is to form a closed low that drifts across the country in some manner causing areas of showers and thunderstorms. What I don't see right now beyond today are any major snowstorms east of the Rockies. I know there has been some concern that the GFS brings the cold into the East toward the end of the period, but I have seen that on the model just about every run for the last several weeks. The way I going in all this is to keep a persistent pattern into the first two weeks of December with warmth overwhelming the East and storminess centered across the West, specifically the Northwest. He will be wrong as usual, but keep on trolling River Card.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpartyOn Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 From Big Daddy over at accu: Weird pattern, green turkey day and maybe golf around xmas... What I believe we are seeing in the modeling is the difficulty in handling a typical La Nina pattern and the splitting of the jet off the Pacific Northwest coast. In a typical La Nina pattern, you see the jet splitting with the main thrust of the jet going across Canada and a southern stream heading across California and the Southwest and southern Plains. I think the problem lies with the southern jet and how the models are handling the jet once it gets over the southern Rockies. The consensus is to form a closed low that drifts across the country in some manner causing areas of showers and thunderstorms. What I don't see right now beyond today are any major snowstorms east of the Rockies. I know there has been some concern that the GFS brings the cold into the East toward the end of the period, but I have seen that on the model just about every run for the last several weeks. The way I going in all this is to keep a persistent pattern into the first two weeks of December with warmth overwhelming the East and storminess centered across the West, specifically the Northwest. Ballsy to post this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeastFromTheEast Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 From Big Daddy over at accu: Weird pattern, green turkey day and maybe golf around xmas... What I believe we are seeing in the modeling is the difficulty in handling a typical La Nina pattern and the splitting of the jet off the Pacific Northwest coast. In a typical La Nina pattern, you see the jet splitting with the main thrust of the jet going across Canada and a southern stream heading across California and the Southwest and southern Plains. I think the problem lies with the southern jet and how the models are handling the jet once it gets over the southern Rockies. The consensus is to form a closed low that drifts across the country in some manner causing areas of showers and thunderstorms. What I don't see right now beyond today are any major snowstorms east of the Rockies. I know there has been some concern that the GFS brings the cold into the East toward the end of the period, but I have seen that on the model just about every run for the last several weeks. The way I going in all this is to keep a persistent pattern into the first two weeks of December with warmth overwhelming the East and storminess centered across the West, specifically the Northwest. Cool, I love backloaded winters! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 He will be wrong as usual, but keep on trolling River Card.... so true, so true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 From Big Daddy over at accu: Weird pattern, green turkey day and maybe golf around xmas... What I believe we are seeing in the modeling is the difficulty in handling a typical La Nina pattern and the splitting of the jet off the Pacific Northwest coast. In a typical La Nina pattern, you see the jet splitting with the main thrust of the jet going across Canada and a southern stream heading across California and the Southwest and southern Plains. I think the problem lies with the southern jet and how the models are handling the jet once it gets over the southern Rockies. The consensus is to form a closed low that drifts across the country in some manner causing areas of showers and thunderstorms. What I don't see right now beyond today are any major snowstorms east of the Rockies. I know there has been some concern that the GFS brings the cold into the East toward the end of the period, but I have seen that on the model just about every run for the last several weeks. The way I going in all this is to keep a persistent pattern into the first two weeks of December with warmth overwhelming the East and storminess centered across the West, specifically the Northwest. Nice try....Henry never suggested that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 Nice try....Henry never suggested that. Trolling and lying eh, good combo, certainly someone that would be a good poster going forward.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonger Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 where are you getting that idea from? Models make it very clear that constant ridges keep swinging through from west to east as far out as we can see. You have been away too long I see. This has been pretty much the biggest downer on this website since around the 10th of November. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpartyOn Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 Gotta give credit to RC.. Walking into a wintery snake pit with a blow torch. Ballsy! Regardless of how wrong it is. Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpartyOn Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 Models make it very clear that constant ridges keep swinging through from west to east as far out as we can see. You have been away too long I see. This has been pretty much the biggest downer on this website since around the 10th of November. Try since the east coast got their October snowstorm. Problem is that anytime someone does call the warm scenarios they are called trolls or "cromartie" or w/e. Its a shame to be honest. It is what it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 Try since the east coast got their October snowstorm. Problem is that anytime someone does call the warm scenarios they are called trolls or "cromartie" or w/e. Its a shame to be honest. It is what it is. This is incorrect, it isn't about anyone calling a warm forecast. It is about just copying and pasting someone else's idea and using it as your own without reasoning, or just calling out a warm forecast or cold forecast without reasoning in general. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago WX Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 Problem is that anytime someone does call the warm scenarios they are called trolls or "cromartie" or w/e. Its a shame to be honest. It is what it is. You probably shouldn't comment if you don't know what you're talking about (with respect to cromartie/Tropical or River Card). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeastFromTheEast Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 Try since the east coast got their October snowstorm. Problem is that anytime someone does call the warm scenarios they are called trolls or "cromartie" or w/e. Its a shame to be honest. It is what it is. The guy has been banned from two boards prior to coming here!! He is nothing more than a bonafide troll.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thundersnow12 Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 He will be wrong as usual, but keep on trolling River Card.... continuing to S on Henry's D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 continuing to S on Henry's D. :lmao: classic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago WX Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 Fact of the matter is that the trolls aren't going away. Believe me, I've tried. Regardless, the ignore/subscribe feature is of some benefit. I mean if everyone has them on ignore or doesn't subscribe to them, do their posts even exist? Anyways, nice day here with the sun shining. Oh and I hope everyone has a great Thanksgiving! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 Headed to Detroit tomorrow to watch the Lions and see the Thanksgiving Day parade. 54 and sun is pretty much the best Thanksgiving weather you can have! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wisconsinwx Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 The guy has been banned from two boards prior to coming here!! He is nothing more than a bonafide troll.. His point is that ANYONE who offers a nugget from a met or weather-related expert that calls for mildness, they are called those names, even if they are not a well-known warminista. I recall it happening recently to someone other than River Card or Cromartie. People do the same things with cold forecasts, and are not called weenies unless they say it is certain to happen. I like snowy winters as much as anyone but there is a bit of a bias against people who like warm weather. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpartyOn Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 If RC and this cromartie cat are consistently plaguing the site with troll post then why has no action been taken? Do the mods check IP #s. maybe a solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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