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Would you rather have?

TheTrials

By TheTrials,
in New York City Metro

  

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  1. 1. Which would you rather have?

    • Twenty 2 inch snow storms from Dec 1 through March 1
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    • Two 20 inch snow storms from Dec 1 through March 1
      34
    • The Forky Option: I hate snow.
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ORH_wxman

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yup. we got a good dose of big storms last year..I cant imagine any snowlover to pick a bunch of small low impact events over 2 big daddy's

nothing like spening xmas watching a blizzard about to unfold the next day. Its gonna be hard to beat that storm unless 1996 happens again. And it will, history repeats itself :)

Most people do not realize how rare a 20" snowstorm is...a lot of them will try and fabricate a 15-16" storm into a 20" storm because someone near them got 20"...but that is not what I am talking about. I'm talking IMBY. 20" is very rare. In any big storm, someone might get 20"....but at any given point its very rare.

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earthlight

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How can you vote for 20 2 inch snowstorms? I don't understand it.

Snowpack blowpack at that point. Two inches of snow can be shoved away with your boot by swiping it left and right. There would be no buildup on the streets as the plowers and salters would have the roads ready and it would melt on contact. Yawn.

Give me two 20" blockbusters, which are rare to begin with, and I am happy.

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TheTrials

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Most people do not realize how rare a 20" snowstorm is...a lot of them will try and fabricate a 15-16" storm into a 20" storm because someone near them got 20"...but that is not what I am talking about. I'm talking IMBY. 20" is very rare. In any big storm, someone might get 20"....but at any given point its very rare.

Earthlught :rolleyes:

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psv88

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I'd take the two 20 inch storms, one on Xmas Eve/Xmas and the other in late January/early February, with plenty of above average temps in between and after.

I don't hate snow....except when it's 4000 inches like the past two winters, it's the cold that I really hate.

Waking up before work to shovel a foot + of snow sucks. I did it three times last winter. Plus the smaller storms, it became a sickening routine. Need to wake up an hour early, get all sweaty, shower, then go to work exhausted. The ride home will suck because after a big storm the roads are a mess nobody can drive. Id go with 8 5 inch snow storms, well spread out. Shoveling is easy and the inconvenience is minor.

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ORH_wxman

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except in YBY, LOL. Just messing with you man, but I know you know that.

I wasn't talking about fudging measurements, just talking about point measurements. People will often consider the storm a "20 inch snowstorm" because someone within 20 miles of them got 20". Like December 2009 could be considered a 20" snowstorm for the NYC area because LI got 24" if you were using a loose definition, but of course we know that NYC itself got nowhere near 20" in that storm. Just like people barely east of NYC cannot say they got a 20" snowstorm in February 2006.

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TheTrials

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I wasn't talking about fudging measurements, just talking about point measurements. People will often consider the storm a "20 inch snowstorm" because someone within 20 miles of them got 20". Like December 2009 could be considered a 20" snowstorm for the NYC area because LI got 24" if you were using a loose definition, but of course we know that NYC itself got nowhere near 20" in that storm. Just like people barely east of NYC cannot say they got a 20" snowstorm in February 2006.

that storm sucked outside of LI.

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ORH_wxman

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that storm sucked outside of LI.

The dry air really ate away at the northwest edge of the precip...it was also compounded by the fact that there was likely CSI over LI during their heavy snow so just to the west of them probably had some extra subsidence.

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The dry air really ate away at the northwest edge of the precip...it was also compounded by the fact that there was likely CSI over LI during their heavy snow so just to the west of them probably had some extra subsidence.

yes, we have disected that storm in this subforum a ton as it is a good example of how hi qpf forecasts can go bad. 850 low was about 75 miles further east than expected and that made all the difference. The dry air wouldn't have been a problem as far south if that 850 low was closer. Further north not sure how much it would have helped

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that storm sucked outside of LI.

25.0" @ Mt Sinai on the N. Shore of LI; just 9.2 " at Sikorsy Airport in Bridgeport...a mere 15 air miles across the Sound...

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yes, i saw your lightning while I was watching my crappy snow growth. Congrats

I kicked your ass last winter.

Total?

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ORH_wxman

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yes, we have disected that storm in this subforum a ton as it is a good example of how hi qpf forecasts can go bad. 850 low was about 75 miles further east than expected and that made all the difference. The dry air wouldn't have been a problem as far south if that 850 low was closer. Further north not sure how much it would have helped

I think the CSI over LI definitely played a large role. On either side of that you will get extra subsidence which will cut down on snowfall. It happened up in CT too.

Obviously if the storm was further west it would have been better...but I think even in its exact position, there was some screw jobs going on compared to what might normally happen.

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I think the CSI over LI definitely played a large role. On either side of that you will get extra subsidence which will cut down on snowfall. It happened up in CT too.

Obviously if the storm was further west it would have been better...but I think even in its exact position, there was some screw jobs going on compared to what might normally happen.

yes you are correct, that was a big factor although thats always a risk with any storm that has banding and can even out over the course of the storm if we have better 850 positioning and 700mb frontogenesis.. We lost a lot of snow that day from overrunning that got eaten up. The storm just didn't have the powerful 700mb frontogenesis like we have seen in other "historic" storms.

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Chris L

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How about one 30" storm?

Now that's rare. Only a handful of times tri-state area has seen that.... And in this forum, its less...

Of course, January 1996, December 2010 are the only two storms that dropped 30" or more in New Jersey in the past 20 years. February 6, 2010 came close for those in South Jersey, but the highest total reported was 28.2" Philly got 28.5".

Of course, NYC has never seen a 30" storm, but we all know 1888 dumped well over 30" given the photos and the 1947 Blizzard also; and of course, 1996 was severely undermeasured and misreported due to duration. Dec 2010 was also a bit low...

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earthlight

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5 day loop of 12/19

you can really see how the LP was just outside of where you would want it north of Long Island up into SNE

http://www.meteo.psu.edu/~gadomski/NARR/2009/us1219j5.php

Great loop, one of the rare storms I can remember over the past several years that just literally whiffed by a hair. It's really been hit or complete miss around here lately.

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