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The PHL/NYC Medium Range Thread - Part 2


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The interesting thing to take away from what DT had to say in that write up in reference to the OP run above is the following:

At day 7…JAN 19 this storm rapidly deepen and bombs out over the northeast coast bringing widespread heavy snow to much of the northeast– including of course PHL NJ CT LI MASS NYC

So while many were looking at the OP run as too warm etc for snow etc and were thinking ICE and rain ...it appears at least the OP run is supportive of snow , at least in his opinion..

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The interesting thing to take away from what DT had to say in that write up in reference to the OP run above is the following:

So while many were looking at the OP run as too warm etc for snow etc and were thinking ICE and rain ...it appears at least the OP run is supportive of snow , at least in his opinion..

I don't get his writeup because it's really confusing. I was talking to him on facebook and he thinks that this might be too warm for snow on the coast.

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The interesting thing to take away from what DT had to say in that write up in reference to the OP run above is the following:

So while many were looking at the OP run as too warm etc for snow etc and were thinking ICE and rain ...it appears at least the OP run is supportive of snow , at least in his opinion..

its not conducive for snow for the cities till the end..interior different.

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The interesting thing to take away from what DT had to say in that write up in reference to the OP run above is the following:

So while many were looking at the OP run as too warm etc for snow etc and were thinking ICE and rain ...it appears at least the OP run is supportive of snow , at least in his opinion..

yeah but then he says the ensembles don't support it. so I don't know. I just thought it was moderately interesting that he likes the threat as much as he does.

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I guess CAD doesn't work out too well for the Philly area.

not IMBY, but usually just N&W. the elevation is crucial. Every one I can remember expecting 3-6" and getting screwed with an early changeover. Oh well maybe that would shut up the NEPA weenies for a week if it happened.

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yeah it's usually no snow in Philly, 1-2" then rain in the burbs, 2-4" + Ice in the far burbs/LV, and 3-6"+ Ice in NYC. It doesn't matter what the modeled QPF is, that's just how they always work out.

I agree with your synopsis but in the LV it usually changes over to all freezing rain which may persist throughout the entire storm event if the winds do scour out the cold air. That is what is tricky to forecast snow accumulations in the LV on Appalachian runners On the other hand it is rare for rain to turn to snow with back end dump. Since a lot of you are calling for a cold wave after this front goes through- would it make more sense that a end dump be forecasted as well, especially if the system is digging in and planning a run to the Delmarva area?

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I agree with your synopsis but in the LV it usually changes over to all freezing rain which may persist throughout the entire storm event if the winds do scour out the cold air. That is what is tricky to forecast snow accumulations in the LV on Appalachian runners On the other hand it is rare for rain to turn to snow with back end dump. Since a lot of you are calling for a cold wave after this front goes through- would it make more sense that a end dump be forecasted as well, especially if the system is digging in and planning a run to the Delmarva area?

oh yeah back-end snow. it's like the female O, it's just a myth.

there's always one GooFuS run that drops 3-6" of backend snow that gets everyone excited.

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if anything phl would hold onto the cold air moreso than your location....your right on the ocean as soon as the wind changes your done..phl atleast has some time..

ocean temps are colder than normal...waters off of sandy hook are 34.9....not exactly warm. about 40 off the east end of long island.

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I guess CAD doesn't work out too well for the Philly area.

if anything phl would hold onto the cold air moreso than your location....your right on the ocean as soon as the wind changes your done..phl atleast has some time.. Look at dc they always hang on to the cold longer than phl and nyc and have a greater ice potential because they are further inland.

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if anything phl would hold onto the cold air moreso than your location....your right on the ocean as soon as the wind changes your done..phl atleast has some time.. Look at dc they always hang on to the cold longer than phl and nyc and have a greater ice potential because they are further inland.

This is the type of storm where my area north of NYC really benefits, being at elevation and further isolated from maritime influence. With the GFS track we'd all go over to rain pretty quickly, but the ECM is an absolute nail-biter here...not far away from being a suburbs snowstorm.

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oh yeah back-end snow. it's like the female O, it's just a myth.

there's always one GooFuS run that drops 3-6" of backend snow that gets everyone excited.

Back end snows suck over here.

This is the type of storm where my area north of NYC really benefits, being at elevation and further isolated from maritime influence. With the GFS track we'd all go over to rain pretty quickly, but the ECM is an absolute nail-biter here...not far away from being a suburbs snowstorm.

Euro ensemble mean

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Euro ensemble mean doesn't agree with the op run. It's hard to tell what happens after this frame because the storm ends up in NNE.

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the mean is very close to the op, obviously its warmer, but you dont know what the ens mean would like between hrs.

Yep, that's why I said I don't know what happens after this timeframe. The good thing is that we will have a lot of storms to track in the upcoming weeks. With the MJO heading towards a favorable phase, things look like it will get more favorable for the east coast after next week.

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Yep, that's why I said I don't know what happens after this timeframe. The good thing is that we will have a lot of storms to track in the upcoming weeks. With the MJO heading towards a favorable phase, things look like it will get more favorable for the east coast after next week.

like i said before if we get a cutter, that could jump start the nao again.

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Yep, that's why I said I don't know what happens after this timeframe. The good thing is that we will have a lot of storms to track in the upcoming weeks. With the MJO heading towards a favorable phase, things look like it will get more favorable for the east coast after next week.

right now it looks like cold & dry behind next week's storm with a huge broad EC trough.

but with the MJO headed towards 7/8 and a +PNA going, i think as soon as we slip out of that pattern... BOOM!

I'm thinking Jan 25-Feb 5 could be very favorable for a big event.

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right now it looks like cold & dry behind next week's storm with a huge broad EC trough.

but with the MJO headed towards 7/8 and a +PNA going, i think as soon as we slip out of that pattern... BOOM!

I'm thinking Jan 25-Feb 5 could be very favorable for a big event.

Like we even needed the MJO or +PNA in the first place lol. :weight_lift:

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