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Moving on to mid/late November


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The sun is shining and it looks very nice out here in Lisbon despite the rain and 59F forecast. :) Time for someone to wake up over there and give the Euro model review. ;) I arrive back at ALB at 11:30 PM on Wednesday night and at least it looks chilly then.

Of course the ensembles aren't having what the op run is eating.

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Nice to see the euro crimp next weeks torch. Snow around thanksgiving per the overnight run. Better outcome on 0Z. And I beat Kevin to the morning wakeup post. He's preparing his sermon.

Monday went from torch city to a below normal afternoon within 1 set of runs. The EC gives NNE a snow event Tue/Wed too although obviously that is in la-la land. Gotta love this field.
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Nice to see the euro crimp next weeks torch. Snow around thanksgiving per the overnight run. Better outcome on 0Z. And I beat Kevin to the morning wakeup post. He's preparing his sermon.

LOL..I run early mornings and by the time I get showered an look at models before logging on here it's 6:15ish.. HAving some IT band pain the last few weeks..Stretching has helped some.

Nice to see the Euro totally change it's tune. I was damn worried yesterday. More importantly though do the ens support the op?Hard to believe it went fro a torch to giving sne a snowstorm in 1 run

It also looks like another cold shot it poised to make a run at us day 11-12 on the Euro

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OK worries are over..Time to fire up the winter bus...turn up the volume on your laptops as they rise into midair as you open up your morning Euro runs and picture all of us on the bus bobbing heads,,pumping fists as we see model runs get better and better..and then that's me at the end ..driving the bus and letting all the weenies off as we lock in a snowstorm

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LOL..I run early mornings and by the time I get showered an look at models before logging on here it's 6:15ish.. HAving some IT band pain the last few weeks..Stretching has helped some.

Nice to see the Euro totally change it's tune. I was damn worried yesterday. More importantly though do the ens support the op?Hard to believe it went fro a torch to giving sne a snowstorm in 1 run

It also looks like another cold shot it poised to make a run at us day 11-12 on the Euro

Be careful with overuse. Winters coming!

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Euro ensembles are still pretty warm next week. It defintely cooled off at the beginning of next week, but it's a swfe rain deal for many as of now. It is warm for T-Day too.

However at the end of the run some very weak signs of heights rising in the Davis Straits and in the Aleutians, but other than a transient cold shot...don't see a change yet.

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Euro ensembles are still pretty warm next week. It defintely cooled off at the beginning of next week, but it's a swfe rain deal for many as of now. It is warm for T-Day too.

However at the end of the run some very weak signs of heights rising in the Davis Straits and in the Aleutians, but other than a transient cold shot...don't see a change yet.

NAO still looks putrid as well. Hopefully the Scandanavian Ridge retrogrades in Dec.

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Euro ensembles are still pretty warm next week. It defintely cooled off at the beginning of next week, but it's a swfe rain deal for many as of now. It is warm for T-Day too.

However at the end of the run some very weak signs of heights rising in the Davis Straits and in the Aleutians, but other than a transient cold shot...don't see a change yet.

LOL..how did I know you would Debbie us this morning..

This might be a case of the op models catching the change first and we'll see the Ensembles catch on today.

HM said he think s tha change comes sooner rather than later in later Nov

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LOL..how did I know you would Debbie us this morning..

This might be a case of the op models catching the change first and we'll see the Ensembles catch on today.

HM said he think s tha change comes sooner rather than later in later Nov

LOL, not being a Debbie..just telling it how it is. I don't think HM said it would be sooner rather than later. As we get closer to T-Day and the end of November...naturally it will get closer. With that big AK trough, it will take time.

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glasses?

LOL keep trying Steve, this has been an all out assault, winter will arrive but not anytime soon, anything cool is transient. Besides the week of freak, this has been an historically warm autumn in all of new england, and at the end of the month when s o and n are compiled the numbers wont lie.

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sunny, off to cut grass on November 14th.........yep bitter cold it has been!

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Goodmorning.

Sun is shining and its already 59, the torch of a lifetime continues with no end in sight. Have a great day!

really is quite the stretch (of above normal departures) when you crunch the numbers.

although if we get a lot of gradient situation's this winter we may have to get used to CT > 50 and NNE cold and dumping.

I think the southern 1/2 of SNE averages 2 + departures this winter and NNE about -1 departures

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They'll go to what...2nd week of dec?

Should be entertaining. Lol

I think the way it works, is that if a forecast comes out today, the Thursday update will sort of be an update of the previous forecast.

Actually, today's update might be an update for the forecast that came out on Thursday. Something like that.

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I don't see it...are you talking about the 24th to 28th? I think that is too soon, other than a transient shot and he also mentioned some models try to do this...I don't think he called for it.

No he said end of Nov/Dec is transient not sooner as Kev said

HM, on 13 November 2011 - 05:00 PM, said:

The unique combination of westerlies in the low levels helping to boost the Aleutian High potential (more poleward) and the oncoming easterlies helping to stir the waves up, could set the stage for some good blocking this January.

I think the cold still comes late Nov-early Dec, but it will have the variability theme going through 12/5. It is the 12/5-12/15 period that is cold and it likely snows for us before we break milder again. Toward New Years (in between xmas/new years) the NAO will come back strongly and produce a sustained cold / snowy pattern through most of January. I could see several snow events during that time, including the Mid-Atlantic.

The stratospheric signals like Jan 10-15 but other notable dates are jumping out, too (near New Years and perhaps 2 between jan 20 and feb 5).

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LOL keep trying Steve, this has been an all out assault, winter will arrive but not anytime soon, anything cool is transient. Besides the week of freak, this has been an historically warm autumn in all of new england, and at the end of the month when s o and n are compiled the numbers wont lie.

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sunny, off to cut grass on November 14th.........yep bitter cold it has been!

hard to argue this

i mean a betting man wouldn't bet against this being the case while we all wait for a pattern flip (if one to cold and snowy occurs in SNE) while i think NNE is primed to flip the switch for a colder and snowier (relative to ave) period faster and longer

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LOL keep trying Steve, this has been an all out assault, winter will arrive but not anytime soon, anything cool is transient. Besides the week of freak, this has been an historically warm autumn in all of new england, and at the end of the month when s o and n are compiled the numbers wont lie.

62

sunny, off to cut grass on November 14th.........yep bitter cold it has been!

no end in sight besides this week? That was my point, you exaggerrate.

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No he said end of Nov/Dec is transient not sooner as Kev said

HM, on 13 November 2011 - 05:00 PM, said:

The unique combination of westerlies in the low levels helping to boost the Aleutian High potential (more poleward) and the oncoming easterlies helping to stir the waves up, could set the stage for some good blocking this January.

I think the cold still comes late Nov-early Dec, but it will have the variability theme going through 12/5. It is the 12/5-12/15 period that is cold and it likely snows for us before we break milder again. Toward New Years (in between xmas/new years) the NAO will come back strongly and produce a sustained cold / snowy pattern through most of January. I could see several snow events during that time, including the Mid-Atlantic.

The stratospheric signals like Jan 10-15 but other notable dates are jumping out, too (near New Years and perhaps 2 between jan 20 and feb 5).

Exactly..although I think closer to 1st week December, but either way..not sooner rather than later. I think we are all on a similar page with that. Obviously exact details are impossible right now. Just don't see much in the next two weeks.

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No he said end of Nov/Dec is transient not sooner as Kev said

HM, on 13 November 2011 - 05:00 PM, said:

The unique combination of westerlies in the low levels helping to boost the Aleutian High potential (more poleward) and the oncoming easterlies helping to stir the waves up, could set the stage for some good blocking this January.

I think the cold still comes late Nov-early Dec, but it will have the variability theme going through 12/5. It is the 12/5-12/15 period that is cold and it likely snows for us before we break milder again. Toward New Years (in between xmas/new years) the NAO will come back strongly and produce a sustained cold / snowy pattern through most of January. I could see several snow events during that time, including the Mid-Atlantic.

The stratospheric signals like Jan 10-15 but other notable dates are jumping out, too (near New Years and perhaps 2 between jan 20 and feb 5).

wow that seemed pretty confident for a LR forecast .....i haven't followed HM closely. Is there much accuracy to LR forecasts for this usually

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