wisconsinwx Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 lolwut It's actually below freezing in some areas that are about to get hit with showers/isolated storms heading into L Michigan. It's also 30 at Big Rapids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 It's actually below freezing in some areas that are about to get hit with showers/isolated storms heading into L Michigan. It's also 30 at Big Rapids. Calling that a MCS is like calling a 1" snow a snowstorm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thundersnow12 Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 Interesting, Grand Rapids sitting at 35 with an MCS coming in. I wonder if they'll change to a mix or snow during the period of precip. are you on crack or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wisconsinwx Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 are you on crack or something? A complex of showers and thunderstorms (there are t'storms along the trailing southern edge) could be called an MCS, right? Maybe that's stretching it a bit, but the complex is producing isolated areas of .5 in/hr rainfall rates per estimates, and if some of that changes to snow, which some has, that could translate to a couple inches of wet snow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago Storm Posted October 29, 2011 Author Share Posted October 29, 2011 Calling that a MCS is like calling a 1" snow a snowstorm. Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago Storm Posted October 29, 2011 Author Share Posted October 29, 2011 A complex of showers and thunderstorms (there are t'storms along the trailing southern edge) could be called an MCS, right? Maybe that's stretching it a bit, but the complex is producing isolated areas of .5 in/hr rainfall rates per estimates, and if some of that changes to snow, which some has, that could translate to a couple inches of wet snow. there it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 A complex of showers and thunderstorms (there are t'storms along the trailing southern edge) could be called an MCS, right? Maybe that's stretching it a bit, but the complex is producing isolated areas of .5 in/hr rainfall rates per estimates, and if some of that changes to snow, which some has, that could translate to a couple inches of wet snow. MCSs have much more rigid definitions than just a complex of showers and thunderstorms. Also I would tend to disagree with the couple of inches of wet snow. Temps aren't cold enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thundersnow12 Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 MCSs have much more rigid definitions than just a complex of showers and thunderstorms. Also I would tend to disagree with the couple of inches of wet snow. Temps aren't cold enough. And an MCS doesn't happen when the temps are in the 30's. Also agree, it wouldn't snow let alone get a few inches. MCS.......lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 And an MCS doesn't happen when the temps are in the 30's. Also agree, it wouldn't snow let alone get a few inches. MCS.......lol You could get an elevated MCS when its cold, not quite 30s but I have seen some where its in the 40s at the surface, although aloft its over 14c, but these aren't common occurrence. Plus this isn't that type of atmosphere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nwohweather Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 You could get an elevated MCS when its cold, not quite 30s but I have seen some where its in the 40s at the surface, although aloft its over 14c, but these aren't common occurrence. Plus this isn't that type of atmosphere. Still this isn't a system and doesn't meet the criteria of an MCS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 Still this isn't a system and doesn't meet the criteria of an MCS Agreed, I was merely pointing out that it could happen with lower temperatures. Although I also noted it wasn't a MCS either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 Heavy snow in northern virginia west of dc And? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago WX Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 That Oct 1989 event was something. Tim would know better than me but I don't think there's anything else even remotely close to that in October. For central Indiana, no there's nothing really comparable. There was an event on October 30, 1993 that brought southern Indiana 2-6", but it wasn't as widespread and didn't have the high amounts of 1989. For the LAF area, there's only been 5 October snowfalls of 0.1" or greater. So it's about a 1 in every 22 year occurrence. The 1989 storm had 6.7" at LAF, 6.0" at the WL COOP, and 9.5" at the Lafayette South COOP. 1925 would be second with 3.1". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago WX Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 Heavy snow in northern virginia west of dc lol Congrats on the snow! Pretty awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowstormcanuck Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 Heavy snow in northern virginia west of dc Pity that winter 2011-12 is going to end for you on October 29th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoosierwx Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 First killing frost here this morning. We have had two or three light ones but this is the real deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wisconsinwx Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 You could get an elevated MCS when its cold, not quite 30s but I have seen some where its in the 40s at the surface, although aloft its over 14c, but these aren't common occurrence. Plus this isn't that type of atmosphere. It developed and organized better while it was over L Michigan, which definitely had surface temps in the 40s, if not higher. I'd love to argue details, but that was not the point I was trying to make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowstormcanuck Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 Doesn't the change in foliage have more to do with the decreasing amount of sunlight as opposed to frost? This is why, I've always presumed, places like Ottawa and North Bay have their leaves change faster. As a general rule this is correct, but I believe there are aggrevating factors. For instance, if the time fall foliage emerges was exclusively sunlight dependent, then there would be a fixed date every year which you could expect a given tree to turn colours. But on my block, for instance, when/if fall foliage emerges fluctuates by several days each year. I think pcpn amounts, temps, frost, all play a secondary role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclone77 Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 And an MCS doesn't happen when the temps are in the 30's. Also agree, it wouldn't snow let alone get a few inches. MCS.......lol Mesoscale Conglomeration of Showers? Another hard freeze here this morning at 28. I think it's safe to say our mosquito/allergy season is toast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWeatherPimp Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 Isolated storm near South Bend this morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtlehurricane Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 I prefer this sunny halloween weather over the snowstorm on the east coast. We've got plenty of time to be a frozen tundra in the coming half a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago Storm Posted October 29, 2011 Author Share Posted October 29, 2011 Friday, October 28th: Hi: 55F Lo: 33F Overall Sky Conditions: Partly Cloudy Max Wind Gust: 9MPH Rainfall: 0.02" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpartyOn Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 Thundersnow reported out east.. Troll post of the century. At least for us who not seen a flake yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichMedic Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 Thundersnow here in Marshall. I was ready for a downpour and was pleasantly surprised with snow instead! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpartyOn Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 ^ looks like a mixed bag of chopped up winter precip. But either way it's good to see that that is headed our way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kab2791 Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 Had some sleet/rain ix a little while ago. (Holy crap @ NYC WSW 6-10") Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeastFromTheEast Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 Had some sleet/rain ix a little while ago. (Holy crap @ NYC WSW 6-10") Yeah i've been lurking their forums heavily and been watching TWC for the past few hours crazy stuff Much more than anyone expected! Just goes to show that climo should be thrown out the window in similar situations .. Makes me even more eager and hungry for the first flakes to fly and for winter to start.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hm8 Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 Interesting... SPECIAL WEATHER STATEMENT NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE DETROIT/PONTIAC MI 317 PM EDT SAT OCT 29 2011 MIZ075-082-292015- LENAWEE-WASHTENAW- 317 PM EDT SAT OCT 29 2011 ...SPECIAL WEATHER STATEMENT... AT 311 PM EDT...NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE DOPPLER RADAR INDICATED THUNDERSTORMS ALONG A LINE EXTENDING FROM 10 MILES WEST OF CHELSEA TO 23 MILES WEST OF HUDSON...MOVING EAST AT 15 MPH. UPSTREAM OBSERVATIONS HAVE REPORTED HAIL AS LARGE AS 0.50 INCH WITH THESE STORMS. CONVECTIVE THUNDERSTORMS WILL BE POSSIBLE THROUGH THE PEAK OF DAYTIME HEATING TODAY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpartyOn Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 Lol. NYC getting nailed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IWXwx Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 I wonder if Indystorm is out of town. I haven't seen him post for awhile. There were reports of pea sized hail covering the ground in Dunlap, IN (Elkhart Co). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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