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October 2011 General Discussion/Obs


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28° F this morning at MSN, coldest of the year. That was out at the airport though, it was probably in the 30s in the city. Thankfully it's sunny today, so we've warmed into the lower 50s.

Weak front coming through in a few hours. It's going to be hard for any precip to get to the ground with all this dry air.

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Wow, it's crazy to think Philadelphia, Boston and NYC could see a moderate to even significant snowfall before us, heck, in OCTOBER at that!!!

It's getting closer. Won't be long now. I'm sure we'll have something decent to track later on in November. I'm looking forward to some action. With the exception of the wicked cutoff low back in September it's been very benign around here since early August.

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Are you up for pouring some ice water in L Michigan?

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Hopefully these chilly nights do a good number on the lake temps though in the coming weeks..

Although as we're seeing in the NE regarding ocean temps, if there is a strong enough storm and the right wind direction, lake temps won't be that big a deterrent to some snow..

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Hopefully these chilly nights do a good number on the lake temps though in the coming weeks..

Although as we're seeing in the NE regarding ocean temps, if there is a strong enough storm and the right wind direction, lake temps won't be that big a deterrent to some snow..

This is Nor'easter season for them; these bombing lows can happen anytime, and are the only situation where they are likely to have snow in October. It would be darn near impossible for us to have a similar scenario in October or the first half of November of this magnitude. Later in the winter, sure.

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very heavy frost this morning, and cant believe the low at DTW was 33. So not an "official" freeze yet EVERYONE else in the area was below freezing. Even Detroit City airport, what should be a much worse heat island than the official DTW, hit 31. (Had 30.8F in Wyandotte per wunderground). Lots of 20s in the suburbs. Another quirky thing for the record books.

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This is Nor'easter season for them; these bombing lows can happen anytime, and are the only situation where they are likely to have snow in October. It would be darn near impossible for us to have a similar scenario in October or the first half of November of this magnitude. Later in the winter, sure.

This going to be a once in a century type of snow storm for them and if you ask the NE snow weenies they would tell you this type of storm is one that they could have only dreamt of, so it is certainly possible for us to get lucky like them and get something similar if all the pieces would fall in the right place..

Here is one of early season snows for our neck of the woods that we have experienced..

MKE

"Unseasonably early and late snow - October 19-20, 1989 and May 10, 1990. The winter season of 1989-90 was bracketed by 2 heavy, wet snows in eastern and southeastern Wisconsin. Milwaukee recorded 6.3 inches of snow on October 19th and 20th that coated power lines and trees still full of fall foliage. The weight of the snow dropped trees and power lines, cutting off power to eight thousand residents. "

http://www.easternus...of-the-century/

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This going to be a once in a century type of snow storm for them and if you ask the NE snow weenies they would tell you this type of storm is one that they could have only dreamt of, so it is certainly possible for us to get lucky like them and get something similar if all the pieces would fall in the right place..

Here is one of early season snows for our neck of the woods that we have experienced..

Yes, you're right, there are always exceptions. Normally the years we have unseasonably early snowfalls are not really the best snow years. El Ninos tend to have early starts to winter, yet overall they are less successful in the snow and cold department. Perhaps this is a good sign if we struggle in October and early November to get flakes. Many are expecting a full-blown winter blast in mid or late November, which is probably when we will start seeing the potential snowstorms/blizzards in the Midwest.

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Yes, you're right, there are always exceptions. Normally the years we have unseasonably early snowfalls are not really the best snow years. El Ninos tend to have early starts to winter, yet overall they are less successful in the snow and cold department. Perhaps this is a good sign if we struggle in October and early November to get flakes. Many are expecting a full-blown winter blast in mid or late November, which is probably when we will start seeing the potential snowstorms/blizzards in the Midwest.

Yeah for sure, i'll take the crappy/ lack of early season snows we've seen here the past few years any day if it means we get hammered during the rest of the season like we have the last few..

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This going to be a once in a century type of snow storm for them and if you ask the NE snow weenies they would tell you this type of storm is one that they could have only dreamt of, so it is certainly possible for us to get lucky like them and get something similar if all the pieces would fall in the right place..

Here is one of early season snows for our neck of the woods that we have experienced..

Oct191989SnowMapcopy.png

Nice map!!! The snowstorm in the East will probably be the equivalent of the Apr 23-25, 2005 snowstorm that slammed southern MI.

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Yeah for sure, i'll take the crappy/ lack of early season snows we've seen here the past few years any day if it means we get hammered during the rest of the season like we have the last few..

Its actually been VERY interesting to see how the average snowfall has been changing here. Novembers are getting noticeably less and less snowfall, but Dec-Feb (certainly when it counts the most) has been getting snowier. In the end, total snowfall has been increasing, so what more can you ask for? And lol watch this be the only snowstorm the coast has until 2 months from now.

From a decade standpoint, avg November snowfall for Detroit had reached its all-time low mark in the 1990s when the avg was 1.5", but that mark was immediately broken in the 2000s when the avg Nov snow was just 1.1". The snowiest Novembers were in the 1950s when Detroit averaged 4.7", followed by the 1970s (4.5") and 1890s (3.9"). Hell even the pathetic 1940s, Detroits all-time low decade for snowfall in almost every category imagineable, averaged 2.6".

On the flop side to the scant November snowfall of the 2000s, the 2000s then proceeded to become the first decade to have 2 months averaged more than 12" of snow, those being December (12.3") and January (13.3"). The 1930s-1960s saw just ONE month average in double digits, and that was Januarys in the 1950s (10.3").

So the heart of winter is getting snowier, while the Fall sees a slower start. I can deal :)

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Been fun following the SNE thread for both of their snow events.. epic stuff like the halloweenie blizz of 91 and ghd for some. Nice to have one big boy and small event notched on the belt before nov! quite the run they are on the past 10 months! more big storms in that time period than some have seen in 10++++++++yrs.

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Been fun following the SNE thread for both of their snow events.. epic stuff like the halloweenie blizz of 91 and ghd for some. Nice to have one big boy and small event notched on the belt before nov! quite the run they are on the past 10 months! more big storms in that time period than some have seen in 10++++++++yrs.

Havent read the threads there bc too many posts, too much to sort through, way too much trouble and time for a storm not affecting me lol. Esp with bust potential either way. Most regions are pretty good with having totals/pics threads, thats the only threads I check outside of our region. So I will be checking that on Sunday :)

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