Rainshadow Posted November 17, 2011 Author Share Posted November 17, 2011 Tony, what are the break points for middle third between cold and warm in November? The cold/normal/warm cut offs are 45.3F/normal/47.5F. November has warmed so much over the last decade and with dropping the 1970s, the new November "normal" is 47.6F. This may start messing Mark up too, he uses November min temps as a predictor in his regression equations. I think for this fall I'm going to widen the net and include any above the long term median Novembers. If I don't, I'll just have 1998-9. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tombo82685 Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 up to 1.7 positive departure for the month right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rainshadow Posted November 22, 2011 Author Share Posted November 22, 2011 up to 1.7 positive departure for the month right now. Yup November is not going to be cold. I went back this am and looked at some close to nina but non technically nina winters that followed nina winters (like 2008-9) that I may add to the "list". I think I'll be posting the analog series on the 27th or 28th. Just came back from Home Depot, passed on the salt because all they had were sodium bags, bought a half cord log rack, so this probably translates into a "warm", snowy winter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rainshadow Posted November 24, 2011 Author Share Posted November 24, 2011 Meh, I did 95% of the analog work on shift today, not very exciting. Well last year proved to take the snow part with a grain of salt, or given how much snow fell, with bags and bags of salt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rainshadow Posted November 27, 2011 Author Share Posted November 27, 2011 This is pretty much doomed for failure, exactly normal in the world of weather is almost always a statistical anomaly. ONCE AGAIN WE ARE EMBARKING ON THE SOJOURN AS TO HOW THE CURRENT ENSO STATE AND FALL TEMPERATURES HAVE RELATED TO ENSUING WINTERS IN THE PAST IN PHILADELPHIA. AS THE LAST TWO WINTERS HAVE PROVEN, THE NORTH ATLANTIC OSCILLATION (NAO) CAN THOROUGHLY TRUMPED THE PACIFIC ENSO STATE. BOTH A STRONG EL NINO AND MODERATE LA NINA WERE UNCHARACTERISTICALLY COLDER AND QUITE SNOWY WINTERS. NAO SEASONAL OUTLOOKS REMAIN DIFFICULT TO VERIFY. WHILE ITS RARE TO HAVE THREE CONSECUTIVE STRONGLY NEGATIVE NAO WINTERS IN A ROW, WE GET INTO A HEAP OF TROUBLE WHEN WE START ANY METEOROLOGICAL SENTENCE WITH "WE NEVER..." LOOKING GLOBALLY THIS AUTUMN, OCTOBER NORTHERN HEMISPHERIC AND EURASIAN SNOW COVER LAGGED VS THE PAST TWO OCTOBERS. IT WILL BE ABOVE NORMAL IN NOVEMBER. THE NUMBER OF RECURVING NORTHERN HEMISPHERIC TROPICAL SYSTEMS (A PAPER ABOUT HEAT REDISTRIBUTION BY ASSOCIATE PROFESSOR ROBERT HART AT FLORIDA STATE UNIVERSITY) THAT REACHED 40N WAS WITHIN THE NORMAL TEMPERATURE RANGE. WE ARE ENTERING THE NEGATIVE PHASE OF THE QUASI-BIENNIAL OSCILLATION (QBO) THAT NORMALLY FAVORS MORE STRATOSPHERIC WARMING EVENTS AND THUS HIGH LATITUDE BLOCKING. THE NEWFOUNDLAND SEA SURFACE TEMPERATURE ANOMALY POOL (A METHOD OF TRYING TO OUTLOOK THE NAO) AVERAGED NEAR NORMAL PRIOR TO THE RUSH OF THE PAST HURRICANE SEASON. THIS WOULD FAVOR A CLOSER TO NEUTRAL NORTH ATLANTIC OSCILLATION FOR THE UPCOMING WINTER. THE INDIAN OCEAN SEA SURFACE TEMPERATURE ANOMALIES ARE WARMER THAN AVERAGE, A FLIP FROM LAST WINTER. THE PACIFIC DECADAL OSCILLATION REMAINS NEGATIVE (WARMEST WATER RELATIVE TO NORMAL IN THE WESTERN PACIFIC). THIS NORMALLY WOULD NOT FAVOR A PREVAILING COLDER POSITIVE PACIFIC NORTH AMERICAN TELECONNECTION (PNA). THE LATEST WEEKLY ENSO READING IS IN THE WEAK LA NINA CATEGORY. NEARLY ALL GLOBAL STATISTICAL AND DYNAMICAL MODELS ARE OUTLOOKING EITHER A WEAK OR MODERATE LA NINA FOR THIS UPCOMING WINTER. MOST HAVE IT AS AN EARLY NEGATIVE PEAK WEAKENING (OR WARMING) AS THE WINTER PROGRESSES. AS FOR OUR OWN BACKYARD, THIS PAST OCTOBER, WHILE ABOVE AVERAGE, FELL WITHIN THE "NORMAL" THIRD OF ALL OCTOBERS. THIS NOVEMBER WILL FALL INTO THE "WARM" THIRD OF ALL NOVEMBERS, RANKING SOMEWHERE AROUND THE 10TH WARMEST. THE LA NINA STATE AND THE OCTOBER AND NOVEMBER TEMPERATURE DEPARTURES LEFT US WITH SLIM ANALOG PICKINGS. TO HAVE AT LEAST FOUR ANALOGS, WE EXPANDED OUR POOL TO INCLUDE WINTERS WITH NEGATIVE (COLDER) ENSO VALUES, EVEN IF THEY DID NOT REACH THE FORMAL NINA DEFINITION. MOST OF THE ANALOGS WERE THE SECOND OR LATER WINTER SEASONS IN A STRING OF MULTIPLE WINTER NINA SEASONS. MOST ALSO HAD ABOVE NORMAL NOVEMBER NORTHERN HEMISPHERIC SNOW AND ICE COVER. FOR BETTER OR WORSE THIS IS THIS WINTER`S VERSION OF OUR PHIL FAB FOUR: SEASON DEC JAN FEB WINTER SEASONAL WINTER AVG AVG AVG AVG SNOWFALL* PCPN 1945-6 29.8 33.8 34.5 32.7 19.0 7.18 1998-9 42.0 35.0 38.0 38.3 12.8 8.66 1999-0 39.9 32.1 37.5 36.5 21.3 8.23 2008-9 35.9 29.1 37.1 34.0 23.2 9.12 AVG 36.9 32.5 36.8 35.4 19.1 8.30 1981-2010 NML 37.5 33.0 35.7 35.4 22.4 9.24 * THIS INCLUDES THE 0.3" THAT FELL IN OCTOBER. OUR RESEARCH HAS ALWAYS BEEN TEMPERATURE BASED. IT IS DOUBTFUL THAT THIS DECEMBER WILL BE AS COLD AS DECEMBER 1945. SINCE NATURE REALLY DOES NOT RECOGNIZE MONTHS (AS WE DO), WE WOULD VIEW THIS AS AN INDICATION OF A COLD STRETCH OR MONTH DURING DECEMBER AND OR JANUARY THIS UPCOMING WINTER. AS A REMINDER THE SNOWFALL GOES ALONG FOR THE RIDE WITH THE TEMPERATURES IN THE WINTER ANALOGS. WE SHOULD HAVE RETIRED AFTER THE WINTER OF 2008-9 WHEN WE CAME WITHIN HALF AN INCH OF THE ACTUAL SNOWFALL AMOUNT. DURING THE LAST TWO WINTER SEASONS, THE SNOWFALL PART FAILED MISERABLY. CLIMATOLOGICALLY SPEAKING WEAK TO MODERATE LA NINA WINTERS TEND TO AVERAGE AROUND NORMAL TO SLIGHTLY BELOW NORMAL WITH RESPECT TO BOTH TEMPERATURES AND SNOWFALL. THE WEAKER THE NINA, THE COLDER AND SNOWIER THE WINTERS HAVE AVERAGED. LARGER SNOWS (6 INCHES OR GREATER SINGLE EVENTS AS MEASURED AT PHL) ARE CLOSE TO THE CLIMATOLOGICAL AVERAGE OF NEARLY ONE PER SEASON IN WEAK NINA WINTERS. UNDER MOST CIRCUMSTANCES, THEY AVERAGE LESS THAN THE CLIMATOLOGICAL NORM IN MODERATE OR STRONGER NINA WINTERS. LAST WINTER PROVED THERE ARE EXCEPTIONS. IT WAS THE SNOWIEST MODERATE OR STRONG LA NINA ON RECORD IN PHILADELPHIA. THE OFFICIAL CPC OUTLOOK FOR THE WINTER IS FOR EQUAL CHANCES OF IT IT BEING EITHER WARMER OR COOLER THAN NORMAL AND EITHER WETTER OR DRIER THAN NORMAL. WE WANT TO WISH EVERYONE A VERY HAPPY AND HEALTHY WINTER SEASON. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grothar Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 This is pretty much doomed for failure, exactly normal in the world of weather is almost always a statistical anomaly. ONCE AGAIN WE ARE EMBARKING ON THE SOJOURN AS TO HOW THE CURRENT ENSO STATE AND FALL TEMPERATURES HAVE RELATED TO ENSUING WINTERS IN THE PAST IN PHILADELPHIA. AS THE LAST TWO WINTERS HAVE PROVEN, THE NORTH ATLANTIC OSCILLATION (NAO) CAN THOROUGHLY TRUMPED THE PACIFIC ENSO STATE. BOTH A STRONG EL NINO AND MODERATE LA NINA WERE UNCHARACTERISTICALLY COLDER AND QUITE SNOWY WINTERS. NAO SEASONAL OUTLOOKS REMAIN DIFFICULT TO VERIFY. WHILE ITS RARE TO HAVE THREE CONSECUTIVE STRONGLY NEGATIVE NAO WINTERS IN A ROW, WE GET INTO A HEAP OF TROUBLE WHEN WE START ANY METEOROLOGICAL SENTENCE WITH "WE NEVER..." LOOKING GLOBALLY THIS AUTUMN, OCTOBER NORTHERN HEMISPHERIC AND EURASIAN SNOW COVER LAGGED VS THE PAST TWO OCTOBERS. IT WILL BE ABOVE NORMAL IN NOVEMBER. THE NUMBER OF RECURVING NORTHERN HEMISPHERIC TROPICAL SYSTEMS (A PAPER ABOUT HEAT REDISTRIBUTION BY ASSOCIATE PROFESSOR ROBERT HART AT FLORIDA STATE UNIVERSITY) THAT REACHED 40N WAS WITHIN THE NORMAL TEMPERATURE RANGE. WE ARE ENTERING THE NEGATIVE PHASE OF THE QUASI-BIENNIAL OSCILLATION (QBO) THAT NORMALLY FAVORS MORE STRATOSPHERIC WARMING EVENTS AND THUS HIGH LATITUDE BLOCKING. THE NEWFOUNDLAND SEA SURFACE TEMPERATURE ANOMALY POOL (A METHOD OF TRYING TO OUTLOOK THE NAO) AVERAGED NEAR NORMAL PRIOR TO THE RUSH OF THE PAST HURRICANE SEASON. THIS WOULD FAVOR A CLOSER TO NEUTRAL NORTH ATLANTIC OSCILLATION FOR THE UPCOMING WINTER. THE INDIAN OCEAN SEA SURFACE TEMPERATURE ANOMALIES ARE WARMER THAN AVERAGE, A FLIP FROM LAST WINTER. THE PACIFIC DECADAL OSCILLATION REMAINS NEGATIVE (WARMEST WATER RELATIVE TO NORMAL IN THE WESTERN PACIFIC). THIS NORMALLY WOULD NOT FAVOR A PREVAILING COLDER POSITIVE PACIFIC NORTH AMERICAN TELECONNECTION (PNA). THE LATEST WEEKLY ENSO READING IS IN THE WEAK LA NINA CATEGORY. NEARLY ALL GLOBAL STATISTICAL AND DYNAMICAL MODELS ARE OUTLOOKING EITHER A WEAK OR MODERATE LA NINA FOR THIS UPCOMING WINTER. MOST HAVE IT AS AN EARLY NEGATIVE PEAK WEAKENING (OR WARMING) AS THE WINTER PROGRESSES. AS FOR OUR OWN BACKYARD, THIS PAST OCTOBER, WHILE ABOVE AVERAGE, FELL WITHIN THE "NORMAL" THIRD OF ALL OCTOBERS. THIS NOVEMBER WILL FALL INTO THE "WARM" THIRD OF ALL NOVEMBERS, RANKING SOMEWHERE AROUND THE 10TH WARMEST. THE LA NINA STATE AND THE OCTOBER AND NOVEMBER TEMPERATURE DEPARTURES LEFT US WITH SLIM ANALOG PICKINGS. TO HAVE AT LEAST FOUR ANALOGS, WE EXPANDED OUR POOL TO INCLUDE WINTERS WITH NEGATIVE (COLDER) ENSO VALUES, EVEN IF THEY DID NOT REACH THE FORMAL NINA DEFINITION. MOST OF THE ANALOGS WERE THE SECOND OR LATER WINTER SEASONS IN A STRING OF MULTIPLE WINTER NINA SEASONS. MOST ALSO HAD ABOVE NORMAL NOVEMBER NORTHERN HEMISPHERIC SNOW AND ICE COVER. FOR BETTER OR WORSE THIS IS THIS WINTER`S VERSION OF OUR PHIL FAB FOUR: SEASON DEC JAN FEB WINTER SEASONAL WINTER AVG AVG AVG AVG SNOWFALL* PCPN 1945-6 29.8 33.8 34.5 32.7 19.0 7.18 1998-9 42.0 35.0 38.0 38.3 12.8 8.66 1999-0 39.9 32.1 37.5 36.5 21.3 8.23 2008-9 35.9 29.1 37.1 34.0 23.2 9.12 AVG 36.9 32.5 36.8 35.4 19.1 8.30 1981-2010 NML 37.5 33.0 35.7 35.4 22.4 9.24 * THIS INCLUDES THE 0.3" THAT FELL IN OCTOBER. OUR RESEARCH HAS ALWAYS BEEN TEMPERATURE BASED. IT IS DOUBTFUL THAT THIS DECEMBER WILL BE AS COLD AS DECEMBER 1945. SINCE NATURE REALLY DOES NOT RECOGNIZE MONTHS (AS WE DO), WE WOULD VIEW THIS AS AN INDICATION OF A COLD STRETCH OR MONTH DURING DECEMBER AND OR JANUARY THIS UPCOMING WINTER. AS A REMINDER THE SNOWFALL GOES ALONG FOR THE RIDE WITH THE TEMPERATURES IN THE WINTER ANALOGS. WE SHOULD HAVE RETIRED AFTER THE WINTER OF 2008-9 WHEN WE CAME WITHIN HALF AN INCH OF THE ACTUAL SNOWFALL AMOUNT. DURING THE LAST TWO WINTER SEASONS, THE SNOWFALL PART FAILED MISERABLY. CLIMATOLOGICALLY SPEAKING WEAK TO MODERATE LA NINA WINTERS TEND TO AVERAGE AROUND NORMAL TO SLIGHTLY BELOW NORMAL WITH RESPECT TO BOTH TEMPERATURES AND SNOWFALL. THE WEAKER THE NINA, THE COLDER AND SNOWIER THE WINTERS HAVE AVERAGED. LARGER SNOWS (6 INCHES OR GREATER SINGLE EVENTS AS MEASURED AT PHL) ARE CLOSE TO THE CLIMATOLOGICAL AVERAGE OF NEARLY ONE PER SEASON IN WEAK NINA WINTERS. UNDER MOST CIRCUMSTANCES, THEY AVERAGE LESS THAN THE CLIMATOLOGICAL NORM IN MODERATE OR STRONGER NINA WINTERS. LAST WINTER PROVED THERE ARE EXCEPTIONS.[b][u] IT WAS THE SNOWIEST MODERATE OR STRONG LA NINA ON RECORD IN PHILADELPHIA[/u][/b]. THE OFFICIAL CPC OUTLOOK FOR THE WINTER IS FOR EQUAL CHANCES OF IT IT BEING EITHER WARMER OR COOLER THAN NORMAL AND EITHER WETTER OR DRIER THAN NORMAL. WE WANT TO WISH EVERYONE A VERY HAPPY AND HEALTHY WINTER SEASON. I am sure glad he stated the La Nina pattern was in only Philly because those just to the north and west of Philly would highly disagree with the underline synopsis. What happens in Philly, stays in Philly. The La Nina pattern last year sucked for those in the Lehigh Valley and southern and western Poconos. Frankly I do not care what is going on right now because the winter patterns have not even evolved right now. When the final winter pattern does evolve in the next two weeks, then better weather forecasting can be made for our area. Until then, the models will show everything including a heat wave and a record arctic front for PA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rainshadow Posted November 28, 2011 Author Share Posted November 28, 2011 I am sure glad he stated the La Nina pattern was in only Philly because those just to the north and west of Philly would highly disagree with the underline synopsis. What happens in Philly, stays in Philly. The La Nina pattern last year sucked for those in the Lehigh Valley and southern and western Poconos. Frankly I do not care what is going on right now because the winter patterns have not even evolved right now. When the final winter pattern does evolve in the next two weeks, then better weather forecasting can be made for our area. Until then, the models will show everything including a heat wave and a record arctic front for PA Continuous snowfall records in Allentown have been kept since the mid 1920s while Philadelphia's go back into the mid 1880s, so there were likely some snowier Ninas prior to the mid 1920s in Allentown. Given that, the 38.9" of snow that fell in Allentown last winter, while less than Philadelphia (44"), was the third snowiest la nina on record since the mid 1920s and the snowiest moderate or strong la nina on record for Allentown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rainshadow Posted November 28, 2011 Author Share Posted November 28, 2011 When Mark does his regression equation work, I'll post it. I think he's going to come in with a winter average colder than me based on what I know of his predictors. Til then, in map form: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phlwx Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 Good stuff tony. Not surprised 99-00 and 08-09 popped up as two of the analogs. Funny thing is none of the winters were particularly snowy but you do generally get one solid cold(er) month.* *colder doesn't mean colder than average, as 98-99 can attest...but it does mean one of the months is much colder than the others...whether it be December (45) or January (the others) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rainshadow Posted November 28, 2011 Author Share Posted November 28, 2011 Good stuff tony. Not surprised 99-00 and 08-09 popped up as two of the analogs. Funny thing is none of the winters were particularly snowy but you do generally get one solid cold(er) month.* *colder doesn't mean colder than average, as 98-99 can attest...but it does mean one of the months is much colder than the others...whether it be December (45) or January (the others) Yup, would think down the road there will be a qbo/sswa effect. If it comes sooner than later, it would gel the Atlantic to be more receptive to sustaining a -nao. As for snow, with a normal that is relatively low, one hit or just miss can make/break a boatload of winters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rainshadow Posted December 5, 2011 Author Share Posted December 5, 2011 Below is the link to Mark's conditional winter outlook. Based on normal climo we would be within 0.1F of each other. We have never been this close before, which likely means expect anything but. http://www.erh.noaa....nd2011_2012.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Animal Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 Seems we may have a winner 1998-9 42.0 35.0 38.0 38.3 12.8 8.66 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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