Cold Miser Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 Nice bows. Shame about the foreground though. . . . Just got this from a co-worker. Same rainbows, different (better) location. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 I won't argue the departures--I really don't know. But, I would be really careful using those stations as being indicative of what's going on in the Berks and on the east slope. First, none of them are "around GC". BDL is in the base of a furnace valley. BDL, DDD, and ORH are 45-65 miles away. DDD and PSF are on the other side of the Berks. ORH is across a valley and over the hills on the other side. I say this not to dispute that it's been warm. And, MAYBE they can be used as a proxy for the departure since we don't have an official site. But, it is risky to use any of these to identify actual temps up here. The PDFamily site can typically show why. But departures won't differ... the departure in the base of the valley should be the same as the top of a 4000ft mountain. Or at least in the same ballpark. It won't be warm at every station in New England and below normal in a small area of the Berkshires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeatherX Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 Wow....early winter pattern signal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 Trough to Ophelia? inflow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baroclinic Zone Posted September 30, 2011 Author Share Posted September 30, 2011 Trough to Ophelia? inflow? Not directly into SNE but it looks as though it wraps around the ULL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowNH Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 Trough to Ophelia? inflow? Ophelia looks great right now.. maybe it will get flung in here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 Not directly into SNE but it looks as though it wraps around the ULL. Was looking at the inflow pattern more than any direct effects from a way offshore Ophelia. Looks like a new ULL goes right back into place where the old one dies out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baroclinic Zone Posted September 30, 2011 Author Share Posted September 30, 2011 Blast furnace for September. DAMN! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 Blast furnace for September. DAMN! No arguing that map.... haha. Torch it was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baroclinic Zone Posted September 30, 2011 Author Share Posted September 30, 2011 Was looking at the inflow pattern more than any direct effects from a way offshore Ophelia. Looks like a new ULL goes right back into place where the old one dies out. Will said it's the same one. It looks as though the current one never got caught up in the westerlies. Fugly pattern right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baroclinic Zone Posted September 30, 2011 Author Share Posted September 30, 2011 No arguing that map.... haha. Torch it was. +5 departures are a torch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowman21 Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 +5 departures are a torch. Heck +3 and beyond is a torch to me as long as it's fairly widespread by area or population. +5 months are pretty rare in this part of the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 +5 departures are a torch. Toorcherific it has been. As Joe mentioned, it has really been awful (or great depending on your views) the last 2 weeks. Days and days of +10 departures after basically being normal around Sept 10... That's fine with me, as long as we get some negatives when it counts... or even normal. Sometimes negative can be bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baroclinic Zone Posted September 30, 2011 Author Share Posted September 30, 2011 This ones even better. Note the scale. WOW! +9 to +15. MRG must have melted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allenson Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 Still think 87 today Joe? LOL, started out the day with some fog but bright blue skies above and full sun. Clouds have rolled right in now and I'm thinking we'll be 'lucky' to see 67 here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowman21 Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 This ones even better. Note the scale. WOW! +9 to +15. MRG must have melted. Low temperatures don't count except when good decoupling occurs or it's winter, so really those +12s are +3s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 Since the 20th at ORH, the daily departures have been +6 +9 +12 +14 +13 +14 +14 +11 +9 What a stretch. Another nice one today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moneypitmike Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 . . . Just got this from a co-worker. Same rainbows, different (better) location. Nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moneypitmike Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 But departures won't differ... the departure in the base of the valley should be the same as the top of a 4000ft mountain. Or at least in the same ballpark. It won't be warm at every station in New England and below normal in a small area of the Berkshires. And that's why I said this: "I say this not to dispute that it's been warm. And, MAYBE they can be used as a proxy for the departure since we don't have an official site" I use the words "maybe as a proxy" because even with the actual climate sites, there are differences in the departure levels from one to another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moneypitmike Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 Nice bows. Shame about the foreground though. Vim Toot! Is that a reference to his avatar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 Ophelia will not get flung in here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 Ophelia will not get flung in here. Who said it would? Snow NH lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowNH Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 Who said it would? Snow NH lol NAM develops a frontal low for tomorrow.. heavy rains for tomorrow it looks like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowMan Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 Blast furnace for September. DAMN! Hmmm...my area was cooler than GC.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT Rain Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 Who said it would? Snow NH lol lol that's why he's on block Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 lol that's why he's on block Another bout with ULL on store? crappy then Ok then crappy, maybe downpours at times? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 And that's why I said this: "I say this not to dispute that it's been warm. And, MAYBE they can be used as a proxy for the departure since we don't have an official site" I use the words "maybe as a proxy" because even with the actual climate sites, there are differences in the departure levels from one to another. Noted... sorry bout that dude. Lets just solve this and put an ASOS in Pete's backyard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 Since the 20th at ORH, the daily departures have been +6 +9 +12 +14 +13 +14 +14 +11 +9 What a stretch. Another nice one today Yeah pretty identical up here... overnight lows killed us on many days. Especially when average lows have been 40-45F the past week and we've been seeing lows in the 55-63F range. It doesn't matter what afternoon highs are when you start that high in the morning, it'll be above normal. And yes, overnight lows count, haha. In the past 2 weeks our lows have varied from 63F to 32F and they all count equally, with many many more closer to the former than the later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 And I'll say there isn't a ski area in New England complaining about this above normal pattern... great for finishing projects and getting the mountain prepared for winter. Let it be below normal late October and November when we can actually use it for snowmaking and get some early snowfall. Below normal this time of year is 40s and rain for most with maybe some snow above 2,500 or 3K feet. Doesn't do much for me right now in September. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ineedsnow Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 Tomorrow looks like crap periods of heavy rain.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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