RutgersWx92 Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 Aftermath pics at Knoebels. Devastating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NortheastPAWx Posted September 9, 2011 Author Share Posted September 9, 2011 New Susquehanna crest -- 40.8' at 8am... I do not like the idea of a 40-foot river beating at the floodgates/levees for possibly 12 hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgir Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 The pics of Knoebel's are truly heartbreaking. Our Family has MANY great memories there. (thankx for posting) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersWx92 Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 New Susquehanna crest -- 40.8' at 8am... I do not like the idea of a 40-foot river beating at the floodgates/levees for possibly 12 hours. The river appears to have already crested at 38.83 feet: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersWx92 Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 The pics of Knoebel's are truly heartbreaking. Our Family has MANY great memories there. (thankx for posting) Yeah they are heartbreaking. I was just there like a month ago. I have faith that they will recover though...they've been through bad floods in the past and have always bounced back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NortheastPAWx Posted September 9, 2011 Author Share Posted September 9, 2011 The river appears to have already crested at 38.83 feet: I know, but I guess the CEMA/NWS is seeing something we're not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgir Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 Yeah they are heartbreaking. I was just there like a month ago. I have faith that they will recover though...they've been through bad floods in the past and have always bounced back. Certainly the amusement business should have a good insurance rider for flooding. They probably pay heavy for that premium. That's the cost of doing business though. They sure do have an awesome park, when you're there, ya get a feeling of stepping back in time. Great Family fun! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phlwx Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 I have faith that they will recover though...they've been through bad floods in the past and have always bounced back. That area where knobels is at floods relatively easily. Not sure how close it got there in comparison to '72 but they got through that one and also floods in '04, '05, and '06 in tact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phlwx Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 I know, but I guess the CEMA/NWS is seeing something we're not. Last ob on the river up there is as of 11 PM and it's nudged down a few inches from the high water mark (38.83 down to 38.72). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fsu_wxgirl Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 There is a very interesting low level flow showing up on radar moving towards the southwest through Philadelphia. Kind of weird seeing that with the showers moving to the north from Baltimore! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsley Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 There is a very interesting low level flow showing up on radar moving towards the southwest through Philadelphia. Kind of weird seeing that with the showers moving to the north from Baltimore! Very odd. I was wondering why it was spritzing out when I woke up. Just a little more dampness to add to the muck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SP Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 Aftermath pics at Knoebels. Devastating. Wow My family loves this place. I always marveled at the high water marks posted on the bridges and buildings. Heard they might have beaten 2006? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quakertown needs snow Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 weird indeed, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quakertown needs snow Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 wow, Knoebels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SP Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 Yeah they are heartbreaking. I was just there like a month ago. I have faith that they will recover though...they've been through bad floods in the past and have always bounced back. They always do. Good people. I would love to help...have someone looking into it. I went on the Sky Slide, Hand Cars and Flyer as a kid. To see my kids do the same was special..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty Lightning Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 weird indeed, Different levels, different flows. East wind at the surface, more north and then westerly aloft. A sounding confirms that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunder Road Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 I don't know how common this knowledge is about river gauges, but what a gauge upstream reaches isn't necessarily reflective of what it will get to downstream. Differences in the river channel's width tend to mean that one gauge can reach 40 feet and be catastrophic, while another downstream can reach 25 feet and be just as catastrophic. But is it still fair/accurate to reference a flood by its gauge even if the gauge isn't nearby? For instance, the Neshaminy gauge at Langhorne is at PA 213. A few miles downstream in Hulmeville there's a camp where a friend of mine worked, and we had a discussion about the creek. I said that it might hit 17 feet, he said it's always like 15 feet to begin with. So is a 17-foot flood at the gauge where flood stage is 9ft still a fair reference? In other words, if 17 feet is considered catastrophic at the Langhorne gauge, is it still considered catastrophic at Hulmeville regardless of the actual height of the water? (I hope I made my question clear - but I'm pretty sure I didn't) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike2010 Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 I don't know how common this knowledge is about river gauges, but what a gauge upstream reaches isn't necessarily reflective of what it will get to downstream. Differences in the river channel's width tend to mean that one gauge can reach 40 feet and be catastrophic, while another downstream can reach 25 feet and be just as catastrophic. well, guess what.. WNEP & Citizen Voice just reported that the actual crest was over 42 feet. http://citizensvoice.com/official-river-crested-at-record-42-4-feet-earlier-figure-wrong-1.1199785 WNEP currently seems to be in chaos mode as their reporting several breaches on TV .. this initial pic seems to have started the chaos - http://www.facebook....d=2394162177230 amazing how the major news outlets (CNN / Foxnews) only seem to care about catostrophic flooding if it occurs in a major city. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boch23 Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 Anyone have an Idea of what tomorrow will be like for the area. Seems like where you do get a storm it will be heavy rain other wise fairly dry? Only asking cause there is a baby shower at my house tomorrow and my mom keeps asking me about the weather lol. Thanks in advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsentropicLift Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 The 12z SPC WRF is quite wet for the region Simulated radar in 12 hours 18hrs 24hrs 36hrs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phlwx Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 The 12z SPC WRF is quite wet for the region Simulated radar in 12 hours Unless the radar blows up in the next three hours this will be waaaaaay off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike2010 Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 Wouldn't be surprised if there's eventually a squabble between the NWS & 'others' over the actual height the river reached. There are sides to support that it never reached 42.66. The top of the levee was suppose to protect up to 41 feet. Yet, even at it's highest level it was still a couple feet below that. Some say the top of the levee protects up to 43 feet. Still, it was a couple feet below it. Just seems like on the news their blaming the NWS for all this..that it took 12 hours to find out the actual height reached was 4 feet higher than everyone thought beforehand. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tombo82685 Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 Unless the radar blows up in the next three hours this will be waaaaaay off. yea i don't see that happening...the srefs have been pretty agressive for bringing in some more rain in the order of .5 or more this weekend into monday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tombo82685 Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 this was stolen from dt, but this is quite epic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunder Road Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 NBC News reported a crest of 42.7 feet at Wilkes-Barre as well, although they were reporting from West Pittston Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phlwx Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 Wouldn't be surprised if there's eventually a squabble between the NWS & 'others' over the actual height the river reached. There are sides to support that it never reached 42.66. The top of the levee was suppose to protect up to 41 feet. Yet, even at it's highest level it was still a couple feet below that. Some say the top of the levee protects up to 43 feet. Still, it was a couple feet below it. Just seems like on the news their blaming the NWS for all this..that it took 12 hours to find out the actual height reached was 4 feet higher than everyone thought beforehand. . The gauge failed on them on Thursday night based on what the gauge readings were indicating (no continuous readings after 11 PM)...can't blame them for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tombo82685 Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 the hrrr is seeing something in the next 12 hrs as well as the ruc... apparently so is the rr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boch23 Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 What are the chances they are all wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tombo82685 Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 What are the chances they are all wrong? lol 50-75% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tombo82685 Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 looks like all the models are developing some storms along the greatest pwat corridor. still some decent lift and instability for this time of night over the greatest pwat zone...-5, 1000-1500 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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