ORH_wxman Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 The problem is every disturbance is entering the country too far north and not digging because it's a product of the GoA/PAC NW low; thus, these shortwaves are tracking very west-east across the Plains and not giving us much of a chance for snow. NYC has actually had two great winters with a +PNA/+NAO pattern: that would be 93-94 and 60-61. Those are hands down two of the best winters my area has ever experienced....we had 90" in Dobbs Ferry in 60-61 with a brutal January outbreak, and 60" and brutal cold in 93-94...both of these winters with no help from the Atlantic. The PAC wasn't even that bad this past week...we've had above normal heights out there. We had a favorable pattern here and missed out. It happens...we'll hope we capitalize on the next one: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OKpowdah Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 I don't think John was talking about notable snows. WIntry perhaps, yes. But mostly, he was talking to track/redevelopment location. I'll let him speak for himself. 17.0/5, kind of a shame if we can't put today's 18.8* high to some use beyond pond freezing. By "notable" I mean 3+" I just assume that he is talking about a far enough shift southeast to bring wintry appeal to SNE -- this is the New England forum after all, so who the heck cares if the track shifts to allow for a snowstorm over western NY? It's still pouring rain here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 I think you've had one too many libations out there in Litchfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzucker Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 this disturbance is going to have no trouble digging. Yes but everything is digging early, not as the longitude we want, because the whole trough structure is too far NW with the shortwaves originating from a GoA low instead of rocketing down a +PNA ridge and then getting a redeveloping clipper at a favorable longitude and having a Miller B snowstorm. And yes I am a bit angry, this pattern is a joke...-15C 850s then rain then -20C 850s then rain, I mean talk about wasted cold and opportunities! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzucker Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 The PAC wasn't even that bad this past week...we've had above normal heights out there. We had a favorable pattern here and missed out. It happens...we'll hope we capitalize on the next one: The ridging over the Aleutians would be better if it shifted farther east...most big events have more of an Aleutian Low/-EPO configuration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 Classic Archambault event, not all Heathers are snow, blocking relaxing just at the wrong time, relaxing and relocating not good. Well, add another notch in 2010's Belt....we've seen KU's hit everywhere but here and now we've seen the one KU that hits us be rain. :lol: :wacko: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 Yes but everything is digging early, not as the longitude we want, because the whole trough structure is too far NW with the shortwaves originating from a GoA low instead of rocketing down a +PNA ridge and then getting a redeveloping clipper at a favorable longitude and having a Miller B snowstorm. And yes I am a bit angry, this pattern is a joke...-15C 850s then rain then -20C 850s then rain, I mean talk about wasted cold and opportunities! Its too bad everything got suppressed underneath us and too far EAST these past 5 days. So which is it? We had the longwave setup and just didn't capitalize. Sometimes it doesn't work out. I'm not sure why you insist on bringing up this PAC fetish of yours again when its been debunked with countless examples. The closest pattern analogs of this past week produced a lot of good snow events in NE...not ALL of them did, but more than half. Those are chances you'll take and hope you hit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 The ridging over the Aleutians would be better if it shifted farther east...most big events have more of an Aleutian Low/-EPO configuration. Thank god you are here to mentor Will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 Well, add another notch in 2010's Belt....we've seen KU's hit everywhere but here and now we've seen the one KU that hits us be rain. :lol: :wacko: It is what it is. Wonder if you can hang yourself with knee highs? ,looks like we find out soon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OKpowdah Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 It's funny watching us take out our frustration in arguing over WHY we're getting screwed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 It is what it is. Wonder if you can hang yourself with knee highs? ,looks like we find out soon! He could always strangle himself with a tubesock....lord knows those monstrosities are long enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moneypitmike Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 FYI--suprised how the winds have really seem to have gone calm here. I wonder how far the temps would be dropping were we to have a snowpack. 16.8/5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 FYI--suprised how the winds have really seem to have gone calm here. I wonder how far the temps would be dropping were we to have a snowpack. 16.8/5. Snow?, what's that? Great radiation night wasted I am so pissed I am taking the toaster in the bath with me tonight, goodbye cruel world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 I'd wish this cold would take a hike,......no use for this garbage. If it's not going to snow, I'd just assume flood the country with PAC puke until March. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 A little snow would lighten up many people's mood, that's for sure. Anyway, with no really big threats for a while, what are the lowest December snow totals for the SNE stations? Maybe we can try to shoot for something historic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 Snow?, what's that? Great radiation night wasted I am so pissed I am taking the toaster in the bath with me tonight, goodbye cruel world. Lace up the skates - great smooth ponds... Sunday's rain will smooth them out more when they freeze up again Mon/Tues Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 I'd wish this cold would take a hike,......no use for this garbage. If it's not going to snow, I'd just assume flood the country with PAC puke until March. I enjoy it. I took pleasure noticing the ponds iced over..it feels like winter. Unfortunately, it just doesn't look like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OKpowdah Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 Personally, I believe we've had a sweet pattern in place, and the lousy results can be attributed solely to details in s/w interaction. If someone wants to connect the pattern to why s/w spacing and intensity has gone out of its way to ultimately screw us in every possible fashion, be my guest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 I'm off to the Bs game.....and to freeze my azz of walking from the car to Sully's Tap; cold and dry blows dead goats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 I'm off to the Bs game.....and to freeze my azz of walking from the car to Sully's Tap; cold and dry blows dead goats. Are you going to be screaming into the wind like a hockey fan from West Hartford? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 I enjoy it. I took pleasure noticing the ponds iced over..it feels like winter. Unfortunately, it just doesn't look like it. I'd rather this than 90 and humid, but I can do without either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OKpowdah Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 I enjoy it. I took pleasure noticing the ponds iced over..it feels like winter. Unfortunately, it just doesn't look like it. At least in Plymouth, the half inch that we got on Monday has stuck around, so we still have some white to accompany the arctic airmass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 Personally, I believe we've had a sweet pattern in place, and the lousy results can be attributed solely to details in s/w interaction. If someone wants to connect the pattern to why s/w spacing and intensity has gone out of its way to ultimately screw us in every possible fashion, be my guest. It just boils down to...Whaddya gonna do. Sh8t luck and crappy timing. Yesterday, areas near the gulf coast had light snow, and RDU had an inch several days ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 It just boils down to...Whaddya gonna do. Sh8t luck and crappy timing. Yesterday, areas near the gulf coast had light snow, and RDU had an inch several days ago. This map may look familiar along the east coast...kind of like the one I posted last page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 Nice moon sliver out there, Ski industry suffering from this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 Here's something interesting. Some airlines are going to move deicing equipment from Atlanta, down to FL next week. Airlines are worried about frost on the wing, and the state of FL has like 2 or three deicing trucks..lol. Most of the time, they move the planes into the sun, to melt. Very hi-tech. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moneypitmike Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 Lace up the skates - great smooth ponds... Sunday's rain will smooth them out more when they freeze up again Mon/Tues Nature's Zamboni. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeus Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 I'm off to the Bs game.....and to freeze my azz of walking from the car to Sully's Tap; cold and dry blows dead goats. I'll be at the Garden in an hour and twenty minutes. I'll wave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OKpowdah Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 It just boils down to...Whaddya gonna do. Sh8t luck and crappy timing. Yesterday, areas near the gulf coast had light snow, and RDU had an inch several days ago. The couple of storm potentials we had earlier this month we're messed up because the lead s/w was either too close, and ultimately suppressed our storm, or because the lead s/w broke too early, retreating north instead of tracking under the Greenland ridge, which allowed our storm to cut north to the Lakes. This time, s/w spacing would be pretty good .... if there WAS a lead s/w lol. The whole reason for the lakes cutter this time is that our clipper fizzled down to nothing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 This map may look familiar along the east coast...kind of like the one I posted last page Well there's the reason for the analog showing up. Next week has a -pna with the nao ridge bulging west. After that, heights build out west, and that's perhaps our next threat...if next week does not work out. We'll need that ridge to rid of the marine puke up there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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