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I have an idea - let's start a new talking points thread


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wouldn't it be funny if the model were all underdone with the PP north in the end and this wound up with more cold air and resistence to polarward motion?

wouldn't be the first time. i've seen very many extended range closed off bombs that ended up colder than the othe way around. haha - joke would be everthing, machine and man. wah wah wahhhhhhhh went the said trumpet

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You laugh, but it's not impossible. Look how insane the upper levels are. I hate depending on these situations as well, but it's not impossible.

well the other thing that lends some credence to the idea is this general idea - an additional wave running the boundary or LP developing in response to the ULL - has been there off and on in some form or another for quite a few days. hard to say where it will go etc. but the overall theme is realistic, imo.

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Here's what I mean...look at the 12z ECM with +8C 850s:

GFS has +9C 850s to the Outer Cape but marine influence would keep them cooler I'd think:

Yeah I see what you mean, those heights will get pumped up pretty high. It's amazing to think that the temp might be so warm that ocean water actually keeps a place COOLER in the winter, usually you have winds coming off the ocean warming somewhere up but the case this time might be that the water keeps the cape cooler. thumbsdownsmileyanim.gif

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Yeah I see what you mean, those heights will get pumped up pretty high. It's amazing to think that the temp might be so warm that ocean water actually keeps a place COOLER in the winter, usually you have winds coming off the ocean warming somewhere up but the case this time might be that the water keeps the cape cooler. thumbsdownsmileyanim.gif

Yeah I actually think how warm they get is a product of whether there's more of a sea breeze with SE winds or just pure southerlies, which will come down to the exact track and secondary formation. If the winds stay mostly S or SSE, it could get plenty warm with +9C 850mb temps.

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Yeah I actually think how warm they get is a product of whether there's more of a sea breeze with SE winds or just pure southerlies, which will come down to the exact track and secondary formation. If the winds stay mostly S or SSE, it could get plenty warm with +9C 850mb temps.

really doesn't make much of a difference. would probably top out at 52-55...maybe a degree or two warmer inside of 95 (interior SE MA area)

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