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Each run of the GFS is starting to scare me more and more that Robert's scenario of Ark / W TN and Northward movement to Kentucky might come true. I still think even the GFS is somewhat out to lunch on a "good" pinpoint solution. At least that is what I am going to tell myself. :banned:

IMO it's all going to depend on when Lee starts interacting with the front. With that easterly to southeasterly flow from Lee on the eastern side of the front, it will help ride up A LOT of moisture along the frontal boundary. That's where I'm thinking we'll see the most rain. You also have to remember about orograhpic lift for the North Georgia mountains and such, but the ultimate timing and placement of the front will be key in determining who gets the most rain. That's not to say most of us won't pick up some rain... just maybe not as much as some were hoping.

All that being said, I hope I am wrong with the heavier activity to our NW and let it RAIN RAIN RAIN!

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Checkout the euro 3hr wondermap frames. Holy crap that setup is screaming bigtime rains over a huge chunk of the northern southeast. Someone will get historic rains out of this one. Haven't seen the 12z yet. The broad SE flow around this low is gong to setup some big time storms as early as Sunday afternoon.

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I wonder if the 12Z GFS is underestimating the orographic lift here in the mountains? It's QPF is much lower (2-2.50") than even the past few runs and is placing the heaviest precip well back into TN and AR. But, with a steady southerly and even southeasterly fetch orthogonal to the Apps, with high PWATS, it seems the QPF could be substantially higher in the mountains...no?

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Checkout the euro 3hr wondermap frames. Holy crap that setup is screaming bigtime rains over a huge chunk of the northern southeast. Someone will get historic rains out of this one. Haven't seen the 12z yet. The broad SE flow around this low is gong to setup some big time storms as early as Sunday afternoon.

By northern southeast are you talking Kentucky and Virginia ?

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I wonder if the 12Z GFS is underestimating the orographic lift here in the mountains? It's QPF is much lower (2-2.50") than even the past few runs and is placing the heaviest precip well back into TN and AR. But, with a steady southerly and even southeasterly fetch orthogonal to the Apps, with high PWATS, it seems the QPF could be substantially higher in the mountains...no?

I agree, I was thinking the same thing myself. And throw the interaction of the frontal boundary and you would think it would be higher.

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Never heard of kentucky/virginia being in the southeast. I am talking about TN/western NC and the northern half of MS/AL/GA/SC. Everyone knows LA will be pounded

12Z Euro shows some major rains for the areas you are referring to. This looks better and better the closer it gets. I'm banking on 2+ inches here in NW Atlanta burbs. I would gladly take more and I think the total for my area is probably going to be closer to 5".

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Agree. Great set-up for the lee side also as the development will come in from ssw-sse :)

No range to break it up also....

I wonder if the 12Z GFS is underestimating the orographic lift here in the mountains? It's QPF is much lower (2-2.50") than even the past few runs and is placing the heaviest precip well back into TN and AR. But, with a steady southerly and even southeasterly fetch orthogonal to the Apps, with high PWATS, it seems the QPF could be substantially higher in the mountains...no?

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I wonder if the 12Z GFS is underestimating the orographic lift here in the mountains? It's QPF is much lower (2-2.50") than even the past few runs and is placing the heaviest precip well back into TN and AR. But, with a steady southerly and even southeasterly fetch orthogonal to the Apps, with high PWATS, it seems the QPF could be substantially higher in the mountains...no?

I've seen this many times before.imo the Blue Ridge Escarpment (Cashiers,Lake Toxaway,Brevard,Hendersonville,Old Fort) Will get pounded. As you get further away rainfall will reduce dramtically.

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The new ECMWF is very similar to GFS and the GGEM. All are major deals for drought relief in the Southeast/Tenn Valley. It looks like the key is how the front lays down and exactly what track and how much development the circulation develops before attaching, and then De-taching , from the longwave trough. Quite an unusual setup , but its got mega-rains written all over it for La, southern Ark, northern and central Miss, Ala, GA and atleast southern half of Tn to western NC. The front should develop extreme convergence Sunday and Monday on the western side of the circualation in La, Ms, Tn, Ala, Ark and then the front dips down in nearly damming fashion on Tues /Wed and that enhances lift in the Carolinas and n. GA.

When all is said and done, if the c.o.c. does like the models are showing, by not getting totally pulled east, and is allowed to interact for a few days, its going to be a 10" to 15" widespread rainfall event . Of course, models are notorious on missing rain amounts (usually too low) . Honestly the synoptic setup argues for more rain in the nw shield of the slow moving circulation and that would probably be east Central Miss, cutting through Alabama and probably northwest GA. Very rough first guess at this point, and the details in a lot of factors will determine how this zone shifts around the next few days. Hopefully everyone gets some rain esp. in central Ga and most of SC where its badly needed.

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The new ECMWF is very similar to GFS and the GGEM. All are major deals for drought relief in the Southeast/Tenn Valley. It looks like the key is how the front lays down and exactly what track and how much development the circulation develops before attaching, and then De-taching , from the longwave trough. Quite an unusual setup , but its got mega-rains written all over it for La, southern Ark, northern and central Miss, Ala, GA and atleast southern half of Tn to western NC. The front should develop extreme convergence Sunday and Monday on the western side of the circualation in La, Ms, Tn, Ala, Ark and then the front dips down in nearly damming fashion on Tues /Wed and that enhances lift in the Carolinas and n. GA.

When all is said and done, if the c.o.c. does like the models are showing, by not getting totally pulled east, and is allowed to interact for a few days, its going to be a 10" to 15" widespread rainfall event . Of course, models are notorious on missing rain amounts (usually too low) . Honestly the synoptic setup argues for more rain in the nw shield of the slow moving circulation and that would probably be east Central Miss, cutting through Alabama and probably northwest GA. Very rough first guess at this point, and the details in a lot of factors will determine how this zone shifts around the next few days. Hopefully everyone gets some rain esp. in central Ga and most of SC where its badly needed.

Hopefully it shifts a little more to the east, that way places like SC and Central GA will get in on some more action. I actually wouldn't be surprised to see it go farther east, question is how quickly does it move.

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The new ECMWF is very similar to GFS and the GGEM. All are major deals for drought relief in the Southeast/Tenn Valley. It looks like the key is how the front lays down and exactly what track and how much development the circulation develops before attaching, and then De-taching , from the longwave trough. Quite an unusual setup , but its got mega-rains written all over it for La, southern Ark, northern and central Miss, Ala, GA and atleast southern half of Tn to western NC. The front should develop extreme convergence Sunday and Monday on the western side of the circualation in La, Ms, Tn, Ala, Ark and then the front dips down in nearly damming fashion on Tues /Wed and that enhances lift in the Carolinas and n. GA.

When all is said and done, if the c.o.c. does like the models are showing, by not getting totally pulled east, and is allowed to interact for a few days, its going to be a 10" to 15" widespread rainfall event . Of course, models are notorious on missing rain amounts (usually too low) . Honestly the synoptic setup argues for more rain in the nw shield of the slow moving circulation and that would probably be east Central Miss, cutting through Alabama and probably northwest GA. Very rough first guess at this point, and the details in a lot of factors will determine how this zone shifts around the next few days. Hopefully everyone gets some rain esp. in central Ga and most of SC where its badly needed.

Dang, your getting me all excited! In a way though I'm kinda wishing we weren't 4 days away. In winter you never wanna be in the bullseye 3-5 days away. Sounds like a rare setup. Thanks for the update!

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new HPC QPF map through 12z Wednesday. That's a whole lotta water.

http://www.hpc.ncep.noaa.gov/qpf/p120i12.gif

That sure is a sharp cutoff in the precip between Atlanta and Macon... What's strange to me is that it shows much more rain in Central MS than Central GA even though GA will be on the east side of Lee. I guess the east side won't be where most of the rain occurs? FFC says only 1-2" for Central GA. That would hardly be a drought buster.

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That sure is a sharp cutoff in the precip between Atlanta and Macon...

well, not only will you get better orographic lifting further north, but convergence associated with the frontal boundry will be located there as well. That whole setup will play out beyond the time period of that map further north and east up through New England. Some serious flooding up north again I fear, and a drought buster for everyone in the southeast except your neck of the woods and further ESE. Let's hope you get more than a few tenths out of this one. I don't see a real reason for such a sharp cutoff either, and I don't think it necessarily plays out that way (less gradient). However, I do believe you get less than those further north.

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