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Fox News has Outdone Themselves This Time

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Paweatherguy1

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of course they did...the "accuwx beat the NWS on katrina" thing is on page 1 of the accuwx propaganda booklet.

I think it would be interesting to research how many times private companies such as accuwx predicted 20 inch snows that never came. For example, 4 days out, I would love to see the "predicted" snow total for my area....and include the garbage that JB and HM put out.

If accuwx's 4 day snowfall forecasts would have verified for me, I would have had 100 inches of snow every year.

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it*has*an*i

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Would be very unfortunate but wouldn't surprise me. Whats next? FDA??? After all, they've pretty much scrapped NASA. Guess we'd have to trash the weather radios and buy TWC Notify subscriptions and let Jim Cantore call us for tornado warnings. Weatherbug has started issuing their own alerts. I could see many other programs the govt could cut like the NPR. I've heard more bad stuff about FEMA than good so maybe let the red cross handle that,

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it*has*an*i

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If I didn't know better I'd thought this was a fake article, I mean especially after all the catastrophic weather this year so far, no one could rationally write that article with a straight face.

Exactly, of all years they picked THIS year to write it LOL no NWS would mean no spc, nhc, cpc, river forecast center so much would be missing!

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The tea party (and increasingly some moderate Republicans and some Democrats) seems to think dismantling the government is the best thing all in the name of austerity. They create fake economic crises and cut and cut government agencies to the point that they become inefficient and fail to tax the rich, who are becoming richer off our backs. They put on a fake persona of self-reliance and how they don't need government...but if a crisis hits, they'd be the first asking for help. And this all for what? The almighty dollar? Privatization is not the solution, they lack the cohesiveness for large scale projects (Interstate system, NOAA/NWS, military and so on) - they prove repeatedly that they care only about cost-efficiency and profits and not about infrastructure improvement. Privatization doesn't magically create competition either - there's always inequalities among competitors and there's a tendency towards consolidation and monopolization as the stronger prey on the weaker.

These people are part of a community and society whether they like it or not. And that comes with some responsibilities. No man is an island so they'll have to suck it up and pay their taxes, comply with the laws and accept that there are some services that we must have for a functioning society. Otherwise, we're just a bunch of crabs in a bucket, always clawing others down into the bucket for little reason.

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The tea party (and increasingly some moderate Republicans and some Democrats) seems to think dismantling the government is the best thing all in the name of austerity. They create fake economic crises and cut and cut government agencies to the point that they become inefficient and fail to tax the rich, who are becoming richer off our backs. They put on a fake persona of self-reliance and how they don't need government...but if a crisis hits, they'd be the first asking for help. And this all for what? The almighty dollar?

Not to mention a large group of increasingly influential people that are actively anti-science whether it be evolution, geology, global warming or anything else that challenges their view of the world. Of course there is no use for the NWS. God controls the weather. Whether the problem is the Texas drought, tornadoes, floods or hurricanes, the answer is prayer. Best of all, the Bible proves prayer works and it costs the taxpayer absolutely nothing.

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Defense, social security, medicare, and internet payments on debt take up 69% of the federal budgets. There's much bigger fish to fry than picking on the NWS, in order to reduce spending, of which I am in favor.

There's enough space out there for the NWS and private-sector meteorology (where I am) to coexist, but both are necessary. NWS is in the business of protecting life and property, private sector is in the business of making money for themselves and clients.

This is an opinion article, but it's a severely misinformed opinion.

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DoctorMu

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Accuweather's forecasts after 3 days out are less accurate than a monkey with a dart in south central Texas. Not quite as insane as Intellicast, but close. The Weather Channel is marginally better. NWS and our local guys trained at Texas A&M Dept of Meteorology are far and away better predictors.

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pazzo83

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of course they did...the "accuwx beat the NWS on katrina" thing is on page 1 of the accuwx propaganda booklet.

Where the hell does this nonsense come from? If I remember correctly the NWS issued a borderline apocalyptic statement well in advance of the storm for New Orleans.

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Defense, social security, medicare, and internet payments on debt take up 69% of the federal budgets. There's much bigger fish to fry than picking on the NWS, in order to reduce spending, of which I am in favor.

There's enough space out there for the NWS and private-sector meteorology (where I am) to coexist, but both are necessary. NWS is in the business of protecting life and property, private sector is in the business of making money for themselves and clients.

This is an opinion article, but it's a severely misinformed opinion.

The complete and ongoing cost of the war in Afghanistan would have funded the NWS for the next 350 to 400 years. Just goes to show you that the writers of that opinion piece have an agenda item and are not really interested in reigning in costs where it would be more effective.

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jimmosk

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If I remember correctly the NWS issued a borderline apocalyptic statement well in advance of the storm for New Orleans.

That was this statement, which actually went out about 19 hours before landfall in Louisiana. It was so jaw-dropping that I saved a copy<br><br> URGENT - WEATHER MESSAGE

NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE NEW ORLEANS LA

1011 AM CDT SUN AUG 28 2005

...DEVASTATING DAMAGE EXPECTED...

.HURRICANE KATRINA...A MOST POWERFUL HURRICANE WITH UNPRECEDENTED STRENGTH...RIVALING THE INTENSITY OF HURRICANE CAMILLE OF 1969.

MOST OF THE AREA WILL BE UNINHABITABLE FOR WEEKS...PERHAPS LONGER. AT LEAST ONE HALF OF WELL CONSTRUCTED HOMES WILL HAVE ROOF AND WALL FAILURE. ALL GABLED ROOFS WILL FAIL...LEAVING THOSE HOMES SEVERELY DAMAGED OR DESTROYED.

THE MAJORITY OF INDUSTRIAL BUILDINGS WILL BECOME NON FUNCTIONAL. PARTIAL TO COMPLETE WALL AND ROOF FAILURE IS EXPECTED. ALL WOOD FRAMED LOW RISING APARTMENT BUILDINGS WILL BE DESTROYED. CONCRETE BLOCK LOW RISE APARTMENTS WILL SUSTAIN MAJOR DAMAGE...INCLUDING SOME WALL AND ROOF FAILURE.

HIGH RISE OFFICE AND APARTMENT BUILDINGS WILL SWAY DANGEROUSLY...A FEW TO THE POINT OF TOTAL COLLAPSE. ALL WINDOWS WILL BLOW OUT.

AIRBORNE DEBRIS WILL BE WIDESPREAD...AND MAY INCLUDE HEAVY ITEMS SUCH AS HOUSEHOLD APPLIANCES AND EVEN LIGHT VEHICLES. SPORT UTILITY VEHICLES AND LIGHT TRUCKS WILL BE MOVED. THE BLOWN DEBRIS WILL CREATE ADDITIONAL DESTRUCTION. PERSONS...PETS...AND LIVESTOCK EXPOSED TO THE WINDS WILL FACE CERTAIN DEATH IF STRUCK.

POWER OUTAGES WILL LAST FOR WEEKS...AS MOST POWER POLES WILL BE DOWN AND TRANSFORMERS DESTROYED. WATER SHORTAGES WILL MAKE HUMAN SUFFERING INCREDIBLE BY MODERN STANDARDS.

THE VAST MAJORITY OF NATIVE TREES WILL BE SNAPPED OR UPROOTED. ONLY THE HEARTIEST WILL REMAIN STANDING...BUT BE TOTALLY DEFOLIATED. FEW CROPS WILL REMAIN. LIVESTOCK LEFT EXPOSED TO THE WINDS WILL BE KILLED.

AN INLAND HURRICANE WIND WARNING IS ISSUED WHEN SUSTAINED WINDS NEAR HURRICANE FORCE...OR FREQUENT GUSTS AT OR ABOVE HURRICANE FORCE...ARE CERTAIN WITHIN THE NEXT 12 TO 24 HOURS.

ONCE TROPICAL STORM AND HURRICANE FORCE WINDS ONSET...DO NOT VENTURE OUTSIDE!<br><br><br>------<br><br>added: hey, there's even a Wikipedia article about this bulletin,<br>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Weather_Service_bulletin_for_New_Orleans_region<br><br>

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phlwx

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Defense, social security, medicare, and internet payments on debt take up 69% of the federal budgets. There's much bigger fish to fry than picking on the NWS, in order to reduce spending, of which I am in favor.

There's enough space out there for the NWS and private-sector meteorology (where I am) to coexist, but both are necessary. NWS is in the business of protecting life and property, private sector is in the business of making money for themselves and clients.

This is an opinion article, but it's a severely misinformed opinion.

Agree...and given that one of the radar sites during Irene failed miserably the last thing that's needed is to scrap the NWS or cut its funding considering that radar data would have been useful in the hurricane.

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phlwx

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I think it would be interesting to research how many times private companies such as accuwx predicted 20 inch snows that never came. For example, 4 days out, I would love to see the "predicted" snow total for my area....and include the garbage that JB and HM put out.

If accuwx's 4 day snowfall forecasts would have verified for me, I would have had 100 inches of snow every year.

If Accu wanted to be considered a serious player in the wx market to go against NWS, they'd probably not have Henry M make forecasts.

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Are private companies going to buy all the radar sites and satellites, or do they think it should just be given to them? Are they going to pay for the upkeep and replacement of said property? The private companies would not exist without the NWS and would not survive very long without it.

Amen. I own a weather map site and I can honestly say that it would not be functioning without the NWS.

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Are private companies going to buy all the radar sites and satellites, or do they think it should just be given to them? Are they going to pay for the upkeep and replacement of said property? The private companies would not exist without the NWS and would not survive very long without it.

No, they fully expect the government to keep providing the guts of the forecast (read, the truly expensive components) while they sell the output. Privatize the profit, socialize the loss.

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I beleive the story is not that much out of line...all government agencies could use a little ''tweaking'' ... if the NWS is that good , why do almost allmost major businesses,industries,companies,ect. that depend on weather, pay for private or their own weather forecasting ??

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I beleive the story is not that much out of line...all government agencies could use a little ''tweaking'' ... if the NWS is that good , why do almost allmost major businesses,industries,companies,ect. that depend on weather, pay for private or their own weather forecasting ??

Your spelling could use some "tweaking".

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I beleive the story is not that much out of line...all government agencies could use a little ''tweaking'' ... if the NWS is that good , why do almost allmost major businesses,industries,companies,ect. that depend on weather, pay for private or their own weather forecasting ??

oy vey

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