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mapgirl, and it wasn't the first time according to my understanding

I dont think we are supposed to talk about it, so......

That's fine....in the end its the internet and creepy people play.....

Oh btw its 10 degrees warmer in midtown then in the tropical rainforest of africa

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Joe Bastardi

Current Alaska storm much like Nov 1974.. 3 weeks later monster eastern storm, ala 1950. MEI analog years!

1974-75 was an awful winter...It was supposed to be a great one but...Bob Harris gave a long range forecast in November 74 calling for at least two major snowstorms in January and February...There were two snow events in January and February but only one came close to major...

After a cold October November started off warm...

December was wet but brown...

11/25...cold front brings a dusting of snow...

12/1-2.Major wind and rain...

12/7-8 more rain...

12/16 more heavy rain...

12/25 early morning sleet dusts the ground before it turns to rain...

12/31 evening wet snow leaves a dusting in spots before changing to rain...

1/13 rain changes to snow before ending...1.3"

1/20 rain changes to snow before ending...0.7" one forecaster was calling for a major storm...

2/5...snow changes to rain before ending...2-3"

2/12 Heavy snow for a few hours accumulates to almost 8" but ended fast...

3/14 Heavy snow warning that morning as snow starts...It quickly changed to rain but stayed sleet in the Poconos where I was...A dusting in spots...

The period from 1/31 to 2/14 had over 10" of snow and averaged below 32 degrees...That doesn't happen every winter but there was very little snowfall before or after the two week period...

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I recall it (1974-75) as a rather frustrating winter, but the one storm in February was quite decent. The 2/12 storm was the heaviest since February 1969 (shows how bad the early 70s were for snow). 2/12 started as sleet around 8 or 9AM, but the sleet literally only lasted a few minutes. It ended around 3 or 4 PM, so the rates were greater than 1"/hour. The 0.3" the following day were from a gusty morning snowsquall which was followed by a windy day with some blowing snow. After the 2/12 storm ended the sky cleared and Syosset radiated down to 5 degrees with no wind by around midnight, but rebounded to the upper 20s by morning. The 2/13 morning snowsquall marked the edge of a reinforcing shot of cold air which essentially kept temperatures from rising any on the 13th. Those two days were the best that particular winter had to offer.

The snowfall on 2/5 ended as a little bit of light rain and drizzle and left us with a mushy snowcover. The 3/14 snowfall was a mix of snow and sleet that trended more towards sleet as the day went on. There may have been a little freezing rain in the mix, but sleet was predominant. The forecast was for 6-10" .

Here are all of the snow events for Syosset (northeastern Nassau County) for that winter (the total for the winter was 23.5"). They seem in line with your notes, although we did a lot better on 1/20:

11/21 - T

11/25 - 0.5"

12/3 - T

12/9 - T

12/10 - T

12/19 - T

12/31 - 0.5"

1/3 - 0.1"

1/13 - 1.0"

1/14 - T

1/18 - T

1/20 - 4.1"

1/21 - T

1/31 - T

2/1 - T

2/5 - 4.9"

2/6 - 0.1"

2/9 - 0.3"

2/12 - 9.1"

2/13 - 0.3"

2/17 - T

3/10 - 1.0"

3/14 - 1.5"

3/15 - T

3/30 - 0.1"

4/4 - T

1974-75 was an awful winter...It was supposed to be a great one but...Bob Harris gave a long range forecast in November 74 calling for at least two major snowstorms in January and February...There were two snow events in January and February but only one came close to major...

After a cold October November started off warm...

December was wet but brown...

11/25...cold front brings a dusting of snow...

12/1-2.Major wind and rain...

12/7-8 more rain...

12/16 more heavy rain...

12/25 early morning sleet dusts the ground before it turns to rain...

12/31 evening wet snow leaves a dusting in spots before changing to rain...

1/13 rain changes to snow before ending...1.3"

1/20 rain changes to snow before ending...0.7" one forecaster was calling for a major storm...

2/5...snow changes to rain before ending...2-3"

2/12 Heavy snow for a few hours accumulates to almost 8" but ended fast...

3/14 Heavy snow warning that morning as snow starts...It quickly changed to rain but stayed sleet in the Poconos where I was...A dusting in spots...

The period from 1/31 to 2/14 had over 10" of snow and averaged below 32 degrees...That doesn't happen every winter but there was very little snowfall before or after the two week period...

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I recall it (1974-75) as a rather frustrating winter, but the one storm in February was quite decent. The 2/12 storm was the heaviest since February 1969 (shows how bad the early 70s were for snow).

2/12 - 9.1"

Obviously I wasn't keeping records then but I would have thought the 2/8/1974 event put down more snow in the Syosset / Plainview area....

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I often point out that two days before the Thanksgiving snowstorm in 1989, there was a tornado that hit a school near Poughkeepsie.

It was actually a week before, but I get your point....we also had snow in april, 80s in march and not much snow in between

The 1989-90 winter gets a bad wrap around here; and deservedly so...but there was some excitement that season out on eastern L.I....

That winter was notable for the severe cold that enveloped the region during November and December. On 11/23/1989 a coastal storm developed and brought the first substantial November snowfall the region had seen in decades. While the event could be deemed "plowable" in the five boroughs of NYC, out on the Twin Forks and closer to the Atlantic Low, it was a major storm.

Snowfall 11/23/1989:

Bridgehampton: 10.0"

NYC Central Park: 4.7"

JFK Airport: 3.7"

As the New Year arrived, the rubberband snapped and the NY area was flooded with mild air. January was fairly inactive, but on 2/25/1990, the area came under the influence of a developing Norlun Trough. This feature produced some prodigious snow totals over the East End, but managed to just brush the NYC area with some light snows.

Snowfall 2/25/1990:

East Hampton 14.0"

Bridgehampton: 13.0"

Cutchogue 13.0"

Greenport: 12.0"

NYC Central Park: 1.8"

JFK Airport: 1.3"

That was basically it for the winter, but when the bookeeping was complete the snow totals showed what has to be deemed a passable / perhaps even good winter on the East End, but an unimpressive one for NYC.

Snowfall 1989-90:

Bridgehampton: 35.2"

NYC Central Park: 13.4"

JFK Airport: 9.6"

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There were also alot of near misses that year, and of course the 12/15/89 change to rain debacle, and some storms that stayed offshore. I remember the 2/25/90 event but thought it was more of a clipper, followed by another event in early March that overperformed. Supposed to get a dusting and I thought we got about 3" (at least in NE NJ). I believe it was one week prior to hitting 85 degrees on the 13th. Wasn't a boring winter for sure just one that was ripe with potential but for the most part fell short of expectations with a lot of disappointment.

The 1989-90 winter gets a bad wrap around here; and deservedly so...but there was some excitement that season out on eastern L.I....

That winter was notable for the severe cold that enveloped the region during November and December. On 11/23/1989 a coastal storm developed and brought the first substantial November snowfall the region had seen in decades. While the event could be deemed "plowable" in the five boroughs of NYC, out on the Twin Forks and closer to the Atlantic Low, it was a major storm.

Snowfall 11/23/1989:

Bridgehampton: 10.0"

NYC Central Park: 4.7"

JFK Airport: 3.7"

As the New Year arrived, the rubberband snapped and the NY area was flooded with mild air. January was fairly inactive, but on 2/25/1990, the area came under the influence of a developing Norlun Trough. This feature produced some prodigious snow totals over the East End, but managed to just brush the NYC area with some light snows.

Snowfall 2/25/1990:

East Hampton 14.0"

Bridgehampton: 13.0"

Cutchogue 13.0"

Greenport: 12.0"

NYC Central Park: 1.8"

JFK Airport: 1.3"

That was basically it for the winter, but when the bookeeping was complete the snow totals showed what has to be deemed a passable / perhaps even good winter on the East End, but an unimpressive one for NYC.

Snowfall 1989-90:

Bridgehampton: 35.2"

NYC Central Park: 13.4"

JFK Airport: 9.6"

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It was actually a week before, but I get your point....we also had snow in april, 80s in march and not much snow in between

I'm pretty sure it was two days before, in fact looking at the NARR maps from that day we were in the warm sector, with a strong St. Lawrence River cyclone.

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No I looked it up and it was the 15-16th, thanksgiving was the 23rd. We may have had storms on the 21st but that's not the tornado outbreak/straight line wind event you're thinking of

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_1989_tornado_outbreak

I'm pretty sure it was two days before, in fact looking at the NARR maps from that day we were in the warm sector, with a strong St. Lawrence River cyclone.

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I haven't posted here in a very long time... I started posting a little last November but didn't feel this was the right place for me, but I've been following the American Weather forums again for a while and I'm thinking about starting to post here again. I hope I'll be able to start posting here more often this winter and contribute to the discussions going on in the subforum.

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I haven't posted here in a very long time... I started posting a little last November but didn't feel this was the right place for me, but I've been following the American Weather forums again for a while and I'm thinking about starting to post here again. I hope I'll be able to start posting here more often this winter and contribute to the discussions going on in the subforum.

I think everyone on this board will appreciate your insight here, as you are a well respected poster on the Accu WX Forum.

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I haven't posted here in a very long time... I started posting a little last November but didn't feel this was the right place for me, but I've been following the American Weather forums again for a while and I'm thinking about starting to post here again. I hope I'll be able to start posting here more often this winter and contribute to the discussions going on in the subforum.

Start posting more on here. You're a really good poster.:hug:

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That part isn't as amazing to me...we've had April snows following 70-80 degree weather before. Just the fact that we had a snow of significance in October is remarkable.

yeah and the storm basically followed the same track as every coastal storm last year. This could be a very good winter if that pattern continues lol The H5 patterns and setups have been amazing these past 2 winters..Something besides the NAO must be driving these storms up the coast and bombing them out.

I think you, earthlight, and now apparently JB are bullish on a cold/stormy december. Would like to get HM in the mix too lol

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