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Hurricane Irene - Discussion Part IV


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''According to most in here you should be banned for that post. Death and destruction for all. /sarcasm''

I swear i've read this same line at least 100 times in the past two days..Yes if there was a Cat 3 bearing down on LI I would be concerned,, As far as a strong cat 1 goes,, I've seen 75 + mph wind's in many winter storms as well as Hurricane Noel, Hurricane Kyle and Hurricane Earl. It will get bad, but you will be fine.. Honestly if you want to see the true force of a hurricane without risking your life a cat 1 is all you really want anyways.

Hurricane Kyle landfall video I shot. keep in mind he was just barely a hurricane if he was at all and I could hardly stand up lol

http://s90.photobuck...canekyle008.mp4

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Man what a total misquote, you forgot this part, "showing the large size of the hurricane" This is the type of misinformation that is useless and not helpful.

It's not a misquote and the specific question wasn't answered. Have they found the equivalent of hurricane force winds where people reside in this run? We all know it's a broad storm...

I would honestly be pumped and would be right there with you, but it's sliding downhill. And now that there's doubts that it even makes landfall as a hurricane... Should be a good storm, but not what it could have been if the core had held up etc.

I think it looks decent on the loop but like they said, it's lost the core.

NHC had this at 125MPH yesterday morning.. The fact that they think it may only be a TS by the time it strikes SNE does not really mean anything to me. Determining a hurricane's strength is not an exact science.

Yep, so if they're off by the same factor up here it comes ashore at 55 or 60/65. I'll stick with low 60's as my top wind here.

I was listening to Reid (NHC chief) on NPR and he was saying they have no idea why it is weakening. He was also discussing how much TC track forecasting has improved. He said that the reason Floyd required such large evacuations was track error was nearly twice what it is now back then. Considering Floyd was actually in my lifetime and I remember it well, I found that pretty cool.

I heard him on another channel say the same thing. Also said they didn't know why it didn't strenghten, nevermind why it weakend.

Giving the appearance on radar and WV to my eye that it's now moving a little east of north.

http://weather.rap.ucar.edu/satellite/displaySat.php?region=CLT&itype=wv&size=large&endDate=20110826&endTime=-1&duration=5

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BigJoeBastardi Joe Bastardi Lets be careful and not get "Iked" into believing this is not as bad. Ike had 952 pressure.. this is currently at 950 mb14 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply »gpaa_normal.pngBigJoeBastardi Joe Bastardi Storm has not started deepening, I still think it will. Convection should refire and eye re develop later tonight
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''According to most in here you should be banned for that post. Death and destruction for all. /sarcasm''

I swear i've read this same line at least 100 times in the past two days..Yes if there was a Cat 3 bearing down on LI I would be concerned,, As far as a strong cat 1 goes,, I've seen 75 + mph wind's in many winter storms as well as Hurricane Noel, Hurricane Kyle and Hurricane Earl. It will get bad, but you will be fine.. Honestly if you want to see the true force of a hurricane without risking your life a cat 1 is all you really want anyways.

Hurricane Kyle landfall video I shot. keep in mind he was just barely a hurricane if he was at all and I could hardly stand up lol

http://s90.photobuck...canekyle008.mp4

great video.

i don't remember: where did Kyle make landfall, and where was this video taken?

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BigJoeBastardi Joe Bastardi Lets be careful and not get "Iked" into believing this is not as bad. Ike had 952 pressure.. this is currently at 950 mb14 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply »gpaa_normal.pngBigJoeBastardi Joe Bastardi Storm has not started deepening, I still think it will. Convection should refire and eye re develop later tonight

I think he may have chucked this weenie just a hair too far.

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This is sad :( Long Island just issued a mandatory evacuation of EVERYONE south of Sunrise Highway! They're saying we MUST go by 5 PM Saturday or face the consequences. They have even ordered evacuations on some north shore towns! All public transport will be shut down by noon tomorrow.

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NHC’s 5pm discussion: "IRENE NO LONGER HAS AN INNER CORE"

Ah, what? That statement took me back - although, objectively I can't say I'm shocked - I was having trouble identifying a eyewall. Well there you go!

It’s just about over guys…barring some really low probability comeback. This is turning into an enormous debacle of forecasting – models and man. Neither scored well. About the only upshot to this is that yes…there is a system to monitor and it will affect on population to varying degree; that will protect the the reputations of many and the field in general - but it gets harder by hour to imagine that impact being very significant.

Irene never really seemed to get her act together after PR – it seemed to almost get there at times, and really looked impressive on sat, but no sooner and an hour later the system kept returning to that unraveling character. Actually, when I heard about EWR taking place when Irene was barely a Cat 2, I think I had the doomy glooms and but supressed that realization. EWR's are basically geriatrics for hurricanes - it's when the slip into middle age and get all arthritic, stop working out, let their bellies grow, just before subcumbing to some systemic disease. When she ever she looked good on satellite, Recon could not ever seem support the suspected intensity; but when she looked bad on satellite? Recon had no trouble finding her weaker.

you know ... I think back to that 5 or so TCs in a row earlier in the season, and none of them making it much stronger than 50mph – it really seems that’s been a persistent theme this year so far: storms won’t get strong. This TD 10 - no different... AS soon as it developed, poof, hard to justify it all the sudden. I guess shear is culpable there; but the season in all is indictable.

Irene is strong, sure but… nowhere close to what the parameters suggested the system could be. Interesting.

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IMO, there's some eastward component to its trajectory right now and if it stays on the same course it'll just scrape the Outer Banks.

Trying to be level headed here, seems that this is written off with current conditions as status Quo. This scrapes HAT then it stays offshore NJ and rams LI, anybody who thought anything more than gust to near 100 was wishcasting. The huge size and massive wind field, which will get enhanced soon as this passes the Delmarva, will not weaken this to a non destructive storm. Ryan correctly pointed out, this is a surge machine, you bet against it and stay, good luck.

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This is sad :( Long Island just issued a mandatory evacuation of EVERYONE south of Sunrise Highway! They're saying we MUST go by 5 PM Saturday or face the consequences. They have even ordered evacuations on some north shore towns! All public transport will be shut down by noon tomorrow.

sound's reasonable to me, if you aren't 15' higher than normal sea level you should evacuate IMO...

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NHC’s 5pm discussion: "IRENE NO LONGER HAS AN INNER CORE"

Ah, what? That statement took me back - although, objectively I can't say I'm shocked - I was having trouble identifying a eyewall. Well there you go!

It’s just about over guys…barring some really low probability comeback. This is turning into an enormous debacle of forecasting – models and man. Neither scored well. About the only upshot to this is that yes…there is a system to monitor and it will affect on population to varying degree; that will protect the the reputations of many and the field in general - but it gets harder by hour to imagine that impact being very significant.

Irene never really seemed to get her act together after PR – it seemed to almost get there at times, and really looked impressive on sat, but no sooner and an hour later the system kept returning to that unraveling character. Actually, when I heard about EWR taking place when Irene was barely a Cat 2, I think I had the doomy glooms and but supressed that realization. EWR's are basically geriatrics for hurricanes - it's when the slip into middle age and get all arthritic, stop working out, let their bellies grow, just before subcumbing to some systemic disease. When she ever she looked good on satellite, Recon could not ever seem support the suspected intensity; but when she looked bad on satellite? Recon had no trouble finding her weaker.

you know ... I think back to that 5 or so TCs in a row earlier in the season, and none of them making it much stronger than 50mph – it really seems that’s been a persistent theme this year so far: storms won’t get strong. This TD 10 - no different... AS soon as it developed, poof, hard to justify it all the sudden. I guess shear is culpable there; but the season in all is indictable.

Irene is strong, sure but… nowhere close to what the parameters suggested the system could be. Interesting.

You though 38, most thought Cat 1 with higher surge. You writing it off as being destructive and a non threat?

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It's not a misquote and the specific question wasn't answered. Have they found the equivalent of hurricane force winds where people reside in this run? We all know it's a broad storm...

I think it looks decent on the loop but like they said, it's lost the core.

Yep, so if they're off by the same factor up here it comes ashore at 55 or 60/65. I'll stick with low 60's as my top wind here.

I heard him on another channel say the same thing. Also said they didn't know why it didn't strenghten, nevermind why it weakend.

Giving the appearance on radar and WV to my eye that it's now moving a little east of north.

http://weather.rap.u...e=-1&duration=5

yes, the specific quote was referencing it's large size...not it's intensity. The found 91 kt flight level winds along with 65 kt SFMR.

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BigJoeBastardi Joe Bastardi Lets be careful and not get "Iked" into believing this is not as bad. Ike had 952 pressure.. this is currently at 950 mb14 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply »gpaa_normal.pngBigJoeBastardi Joe Bastardi Storm has not started deepening, I still think it will. Convection should refire and eye re develop later tonight

Yeah, i don't know why people are downplaying this storm. Yes it's weaker than modeled but it's still over open, warm water for the love of God. It's first LF could still very well be W. LI. It's going to be big and surprise a lot of people.

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