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Hurricane Irene - Discussion Part IV


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Edwards St and south, voluntary evacuation for those that are in mandated flood zones.

is that you? Good luck my friend-hope it's not too bad down there...hoping for the best, but not looking good--lots of nice trees around town will be demolished even if it only makes LF as a tropical storm...

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As much as I'm not rooting for this:

Cat 1 by the time it makes landfall in NC, TD TS by the time it reaches latitude of southern NJ...

The IR images of current vs. even just 4 hours ago show a pretty dramatic change: this is really struggling.

Once its structural integrity is lost, the collapse could accelerate, even with favorable SSTs.

I really hope I'm wrong and I'm not trying to piss people off.

As I said before, the next few hours are critical.

EDIT: I of course mean TS (storm, not depression) by the team reaches latitude of southern NJ

Not looking like the "worst post of the year" now...

init 26/2100z 31.7n 77.4w 85 kt 100 mph 12h 27/0600z 33.4n 77.1w 80 kt 90 mph 24h 27/1800z 35.5n 76.3w 75 kt 85 mph...inland 36h 28/0600z 38.2n 75.0w 70 kt 80 mph...over water 48h 28/1800z 41.8n 73.0w 60 kt 70 mph...inland 72h 29/1800z 50.5n 65.0w 45 kt 50 mph...Post-trop/extratrop 96h 30/1800z 56.5n 51.0w 40 kt 45 mph...Post-trop/extratrop120h 31/1800z 58.0n 32.0w 35 kt 40 mph...Post-trop/extratrop

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I just don't understand why some people feel they have to downplay everything and try and kill people's enthusiasm.

Not a cheerleading forum...it's what's going on, storm has gradually lost it's punch, intensity forecasts have dropped 20-30% over the last day. The storm has no core per NHC and it's still yet to interact with land. I think maybe they are wrong and it can regather some, but we'll see.

Still leaving Bob as the last one ... there's always next year...sigh...

Yep, maybe. Let's see how many sustained verified hurricane force winds occur at official stations.

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Oh well... still planning to go to a private beach on Point Judith Pond. It'll be easy for us to get there since we are residents and it won't be closed since parts of the neighborhood are far from the ocean.

If you're talking about breakwater village that's under a mandatory evacuation too. Basically, don't expect to get anywhere in Narragansett lol

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I will wait for others to review the data messages but the implications of "THE AIRCRAFT DID

REPORT HURRICANE-FORCE WINDS AT FLIGHT LEVEL AND SFMR WINDS OF

50-55 KT 135 N MI EAST OF THE CENTER.."....did they even find hurricane force winds or implied hurricane force winds at the surface? Yikes.

It seems to me the entire discussion was based on the old flights....

Man what a total misquote, you forgot this part, "showing the large size of the hurricane" This is the type of misinformation that is useless and not helpful.

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Time to yank the calculators out of azzes and enjoy the damn ride. We have a Cat. 2 hurricane getting ready to scrape the Outer Banks and then hit all of SNE. Fooking enjoy it instead of pissing and moaning about its appearance every 5 minutes. 950.1mb...that's plenty.

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I just don't understand why some people feel they have to downplay everything and try and kill people's enthusiasm.

I would honestly be pumped and would be right there with you, but it's sliding downhill. And now that there's doubts that it even makes landfall as a hurricane... Should be a good storm, but not what it could have been if the core had held up etc.

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Time to yank the calculators out of azzes and enjoy the damn ride. We have a Cat. 2 hurricane getting ready to scrape the Outer Banks and then hit all of SNE. Fooking enjoy it instead of pissing and moaning about its appearance every 5 minutes. 950.1mb...that's plenty.

+1000

we could be tracking Petes upper 20s first frost. That's stupid.

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It will not be done but I would have gone from a Hurricane Watch to a Tropical Storm Warning for the New England coast. I think we will see lots of gusts in the 50's and 60's and a few brief hurricane force gust but don't think anyone will experience hurricane force substaned winds. Comments?

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It will not be done but I would have gone from a Hurricane Watch to a Tropical Storm Warning for the New England coast. I think we will see lots of gusts in the 50's and 60's and a few brief hurricane force gust but don't think anyone will experience hurricane force substaned winds. Comments?

It depends how much land it goes over...I think if it stays mainly offshore after the brief landfall in NC, then we'll see it as a cat 1, but if its hugs the NJ coast too much, then I think it will be difficult to have it as a hurricane up here.

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I was listening to Reid (NHC chief) on NPR and he was saying they have no idea why it is weakening. He was also discussing how much TC track forecasting has improved. He said that the reason Floyd required such large evacuations was track error was nearly twice what it is now back then. Considering Floyd was actually in my lifetime and I remember it well, I found that pretty cool.

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It depends how much land it goes over...I think if it stays mainly offshore after the brief landfall in NC, then we'll see it as a cat 1, but if its hugs the NJ coast too much, then I think it will be difficult to have it as a hurricane up here.

Yeah I agree. The difference between a 70 and 75mph storm particularly near track in CT and on south coast probably minimal.

I agree with NHC call for TS warnings in Boston.

Biggest concern is heavy rain and storm surge (timing seems like a high tide crusher + astro)

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It depends how much land it goes over...I think if it stays mainly offshore after the brief landfall in NC, then we'll see it as a cat 1, but if its hugs the NJ coast too much, then I think it will be difficult to have it as a hurricane up here.

I hope it's about 20 miles east of the NJ coast and comes due north :P Is that a possible track, Will?

Two of the old time storms I continue to be impressed by are August 1893 (which we already discussed as destroying Hogs Island) and the Great September 1815 storm which actually created Long Beach Barrier Island by separating it from the Rockaway Peninsula.

I think the idea that west of the track doesn't get severe conditions is misinformation.... check out where that storm tracked and what happened.

http://en.wikipedia....er_Gale_of_1815

The storm struck Long Island on September 23, 1815, probably coming ashore near Center Moriches (Ludlum). On the south shore of Long Island it broke through the barrier beach and created the inlet that still isolates Long Beach, which had previously been an eastward extension of The Rockaways.

1815, 1944 and Donna all had massive effects on the west side of the storm and they ALL went WELL east of where this is progged to go.

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A post-analysis on this might be interesting if it broaches the subject of "TC's that weaken with no physical cause"

hahhaha. wow.

yeah tip i was thinking the same... this is fascinating.

what makes a perfectly good looking hurricane with good strengthening conditions trip over itself with multiple ERCs like this?

why do some hurricanes have a beautiful eye, whereas other have multiple concentric rings or ERCs that interfere with inner core strengthening, like Ike.

great paper on hurricane Rita and multiple ERCs / concentric eye walls published in Science:

Houze Ra, Jr; Chen, SS; Smull, BF; Lee, WC; Bell, MM (2007). "Hurricane intensity and eyewall replacement". Science 315 (5816): 1235–9. doi:10.1126/science.113565

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