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Upstate NY/North Country Late Summer & Fall Thread


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While the NAO looks to cooperate in the extended range by going somewhat negative...the Pacific is looking incredibly hostile with a very strong -PNA being forecasted by the gfs, ec, and ec ensembles through the period. We are going to need that to change in order to get significant cold to sustain in the midwest and east.

Every year I get horrible memories of the Fall of 2001 when almospt every weather outlet/met was calling for sustained cold which never came. If we get temps in the mid to upper 60s around the 20th, look out. It's generally a sign that the cold is having ah ard timem aking it in to our area.

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In the lakes forum, some are saying that the flip to colder could come around the 20th, which would be in keeping with the traditional La Nina theme.

For the upper lakes this could be the case, but I am not seeing any flip for this region until the week after Thanksgiving. The NAO looks to go negative by mid-month, but it will take it some time to slow down the Pacific fire hose. I would say that places like Wisconsin and the UP of Michigan would be the jackpot zones for snow in the next couple of weeks.

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Numero uno!

NYZ019-020-110500- /O.NEW.KBUF.LE.Y.0014.111111T0500Z-111111T1700Z/ CHAUTAUQUA-CATTARAUGUS- INCLUDING THE CITIES OF...JAMESTOWN...OLEAN 347 PM EST THU NOV 10 2011 ...LAKE EFFECT SNOW ADVISORY IN EFFECT FROM MIDNIGHT TONIGHT TO NOON EST FRIDAY... THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN BUFFALO HAS ISSUED A LAKE EFFECT SNOW ADVISORY...WHICH IS IN EFFECT FROM MIDNIGHT TONIGHT TO NOON EST FRIDAY. * LOCATIONS...HIGHER ELEVATIONS OF CHAUTAUQUA AND CATTARAUGUS COUNTIES... * TIMING...MIDNIGHT TONIGHT THROUGH FRIDAY MORNING. * ACCUMULATIONS...3 TO 5 INCHES OVERNIGHT AND UP TO 2 INCHES FRIDAY...LEADING TO STORM TOTALS OF 5 TO 7 INCHES IN THE MOST PERSISTENT LAKE SNOWS. * IMPACTS...SNOW AND REDUCED VISIBILITY WILL IMPACT DRIVING ACROSS THE SOUTHERN TIER.

Haven't had anything much in November since 2008 when we got 45" in the course of two weeks.

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Haven't had anything much in November since 2008 when we got 45" in the course of two weeks.

its just starting to slowly get its act together and hopefully by 2 or 3 am it can be a nice band but it seems shear might limit how well this band organizes. If it doesn't organize i would bet 1-3 inches is more likley but if it can get its act together and remain fairly steady I could see some of the highest elevations (above 1800ft) picking up 6 inches by 8 am. And how I wish we could have another 2008-2009 winter season . I know some areas near Ellicottville had almost 100" by Christmas. Just awesome!
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i don't see it, maybe a bit after that... but even that is not seen at this time.

but things can change.

Actually, the more I think about it, the more I think that a winter like 1974-75 is a distinct possibility. That winter wasa second year La Nina, as is this one. November 1974 saw a superstorm in November, just like this November has. The previous winter (1973-74) had some similarities to last winter, while the summer of 1973 was hot, much like the summer of 2010 in this region.

On the bright side, that dud of a winter (74-75) was followed by four good winters in a row.

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For those living in Long Point Ontario can all you please move to Nanticoke?? That sand spit peninsula really screws up our Lake Effect as the peninsula forces the bands to form on either side of it and one WNW winds we get screwed :thumbsup: . I wish the Canadian government would dredge that entire thing out of Lake Erie. Lol of course I'm only picking but the weather :weenie: in me wishes it wan't lol. Does anybody else notice the affect that peninsula causes on Lake Effect bands?

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2.0" overnight and still snowing. I suspect Sherman got a good amount last night. Unfortunately there is no COOP or snowspotter there anymore.

I'v been through Sherman a ton of times and it definitely is the sweet spot. I know there are better locations for lake effect amounts but they get their fair share. How much did you guys end up getting. I'm pretty far from the lake but I managed to pick up 1.6" overnight. We normally get fringed though.

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