CoastalWx Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 AKTY..AS Kevin thought yesterday..This thing may actually want to make a run up at us next weekend I wouldn't get sucked in. Even if it hit Hatteras...it could turn east so quick, your head will spin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 Did anyone see that video from the brawl with Georgetown and China last night? LOL..Some of the Chinese dudes were just pounding the Gtown players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowman21 Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 Haha yeah... but you probably don't radiate well at night compared with the farmer down the road that has a few trees scattered about with 80% field around him. And I mean who's to say "what is right?" The temperature in the woods or the temperature out in the open? As MetHerb said, you can have a 5-10F variance across your property depending on where your therm is set-up. Its the same thing with measuring snowfall in the winter... measure it after the snow stops or every 6 hours? Of course NOAA needs to come up with some standards for all this, and it is what it is. Its like an 18 hour snowstorm where you take three measurements and get 4", 7", 4" for a total of 15". Your neighbor drops his ruler in the snow when it stops and comes up with 13.2". How much snow actually fell? Just what exactly is the temperature outside? In the woods or in the field? Well NOAA in combination with the WMO have guidelines and siting specifications to measure temperature "the right way." The point is to measure the free atmosphere. The temperature on your deck, on the shady side of your house, or next to a tree is not the free atmosphere, and thus is subject to large error and biases. Obviously not everyone can mount their thermometers out in an open field hundreds of feet away from the nearest object in any direction, but instead of deluding oneself into thinking they have a truly unique microclimate, or live in a colder/warmer place, they should realize the difference is not really their climate, but their measurement of temperature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 Well NOAA in combination with the WMO have guidelines and siting specifications to measure temperature "the right way." The point is to measure the free atmosphere. The temperature on your deck, on the shady side of your house, or next to a tree is not the free atmosphere, and thus is subject to large error and biases. Obviously not everyone can mount their thermometers out in an open field hundreds of feet away from the nearest object in any direction, but instead of deluding oneself into thinking they have a truly unique microclimate, or live in a colder/warmer place, they should realize the difference is not really their climate, but their measurement of temperature. Really? so I guess hallows and south facing hills have the same climate, because the temperatures are measured wrong? There are dozens of microclimates in miles of each other in New England, just look at the fauna. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted August 19, 2011 Author Share Posted August 19, 2011 Really? so I guess hallows and south facing hills have the same climate, because the temperatures are measured wrong? There are dozens of microclimates in miles of each other in New England, just look at the fauna. Well, I understand what Snowman21 is saying. For consistency of data it is good to minimize variables. Buuuuuuttt.... If you have a Davis properly calibrated and it shows 73 degrees since you have trees, the air you breathe, work in, have libations in is 73 degrees Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowman21 Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 Yeah that would make sense with ORH's average high being 77F. You'd probably be 75-76F for a +3F to +4F departure on the high temp... consistent with pretty much every climate station except BOS which really torched with +8F. ski MRG's normals compared to ORH: WChes ORH ----- ----- MO DA HI LO HI LO 8 19 77 54 77 60 8 20 77 54 77 60 8 21 77 54 77 60 8 22 76 54 77 60 8 23 76 54 77 60 8 24 76 54 76 60 8 25 76 53 76 59 8 26 76 53 76 59 8 27 76 53 76 59 8 28 75 53 75 59 8 29 75 52 75 58 8 30 75 52 75 58 8 31 75 52 75 58 the W Chesterfield normals are the average normals of eight co-op stations within 25 miles between elevations of 1050 and 1650 feet, so it's a fairly good sampling of the climate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted August 19, 2011 Author Share Posted August 19, 2011 69.9F at 10AM... but very muggy... 67 td Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan11 Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 But hey if you live in a very forested area and your temps are cooler as result then I would question why that should be considered an illegitimately low temperature obs. That's the reality for the people that live there. They don't sit at the top of their trees seeking a full sun obs ....they live in their forested microclimate. In my case it is more fields than woods so my 1k temp. is pretty pure. I roast in full sun 90% of the day here except for my one ash tree. I dunno how wooded Pete's place is. You just described where i live to a T. The forest determines the temps. It's a perfect example of the definition of a microclimate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan11 Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 I doubt a cane could ever get up here because I don't think these troughs in late August can dig far enough south to deliver it. It's got to either ride under enough to miss them and maybe hit the far Southeast or slip into the Gulf OR it gets kicked out to sea and misses all but Bermuda. I wouldn't get sucked in. Even if it hit Hatteras...it could turn east so quick, your head will spin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ski MRG Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 ski MRG's normals compared to ORH: WChes ORH ----- ----- MO DA HI LO HI LO 8 19 77 54 77 60 8 20 77 54 77 60 8 21 77 54 77 60 8 22 76 54 77 60 8 23 76 54 77 60 8 24 76 54 76 60 8 25 76 53 76 59 8 26 76 53 76 59 8 27 76 53 76 59 8 28 75 53 75 59 8 29 75 52 75 58 8 30 75 52 75 58 8 31 75 52 75 58 the W Chesterfield normals are the average normals of eight co-op stations within 25 miles between elevations of 1050 and 1650 feet, so it's a fairly good sampling of the climate. Lol. You can't broadbrush highly featured terrain like that. Microclimates around ever corner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan11 Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 Hey my a/c is broken in my old Camry (160 k miles) and not worth a whole new system. So the other day I took the Taconic to the city and I can tell you it is a huge difference when you go through those wooded stretches... Feels 10F cooler. That's one plus of the Taconic as it goes through a lot of deep woods as opposed to the interstates. Also no tolls. Anyway ...tons of micro climates and I consider them all legitimate. Lol. You can't broadbrush highly featured terrain like that. Microclimates around ever corner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold Miser Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 Did anyone see that video from the brawl with Georgetown and China last night? LOL..Some of the Chinese dudes were just pounding the Gtown players. With the exception of a few seconds of one chinese guy pounding a g'town player on the floor and another china guy laying down the forearm on some dude it just look like a typical sports mele. I read some strange quote from a chinese blogger or something like that noting the chinese guy's showing off using Kung Fu. Not sure if the guy was just kidding, but in a situation like that any martial art training is next to useless. Eitherway, this will only speed up WWIII. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ski MRG Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 Another beautiful day in the 70's here in the high terrain of WMA. So nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 Another beautiful day in the 70's here in the high terrain of WMA. So nice. Swampy dews. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
free_man Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 Another beautiful day in the 70's here in the high terrain of WMA. So nice. Yeah, nothing as beautiful as late August well above normal temps and humidity. Relish it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted August 19, 2011 Author Share Posted August 19, 2011 First time it has broken 80 is a while. 81/68 Swampazzz!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan11 Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 Yes Pete is eternally positive in his spin. It is just mild here also - 76 at 1:00 PM, but hazy and humid with thunder starting. Not an uncomfortable day, but not pristine by any means. Monday through Wednesday look pristine and beautiful. Swampy dews. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baroclinic Zone Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 Wife is going to be in Tampa Bay area next Thursday-Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Torchey Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 85 now in Boston, looks like the third straight day of moderate + departures Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted August 19, 2011 Author Share Posted August 19, 2011 85 now in Boston, looks like the third straight day of moderate + departures ORH now at +0.8 will probably be over +1.0 after today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowman21 Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 Lol. You can't broadbrush highly featured terrain like that. Microclimates around ever corner. Hey I'm open to hearing your opinion, but you never offer one rooted in hard numbers - you just tell everyone else they're wrong - which I don't mind if you have something better or more solid. Experience or anecdotal evidence doesn't count. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ski MRG Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 Hey I'm open to hearing your opinion, but you never offer one rooted in hard numbers - you just tell everyone else they're wrong - which I don't mind if you have something better or more solid. Experience or anecdotal evidence doesn't count. In a remote, sparsely populated area there isn't a wealth of hard data to call upon. However, a glance at obs throughout the high terrain ( the few there are in this area) on a daily basis will quickly sketch the picture of a cool region relative to the surrounding terrain or SNE as a whole. As for experience or anecdotal evidence not counting, that's open to debate. I really don't care to exert the effort for such a geeky debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan11 Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 We had a very nice T storm around 1:30-2:00 PM and it crashed the temperature from the high of 77 to 64! Now a mere 68 and the sky has darkened again with drops starting. In a remote, sparsely populated area there isn't a wealth of hard data to call upon. However, a glance at obs throughout the high terrain ( the few there are in this area) on a daily basis will quickly sketch the picture of a cool region relative to the surrounding terrain or SNE as a whole. As for experience or anecdotal evidence not counting, that's open to debate. I really don't care to exert the effort for such a geeky debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moneypitmike Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 Managed to get to 77.6 at 1:00p.m., now down to 71.5/68 with light rain, sun breaking out . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 AKDNT As Kevin did not think, 12 Z Euro never heats us up after the fall like cooldown next week and guess what, no hurricane coming up the coast. His absolutely stellar summer of forecasting continues, 79/68 here, low clouds after a high of 80 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Torchey Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 sunny 81 another perfect summer day and another above normal summer day at all sne stations, the beat goes on and on and on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 sunny 81 another perfect summer day and another above normal summer day at all sne stations, the beat goes on and on and on Socked in all day here., Big Big cooldown enroute next week, get your sweater handy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Torchey Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 Socked in all day here., Big Big cooldown enroute next week, get your sweater handy. I dont consider 80 in the closing days of August a big cool down, nice to see NWS OKX forecasting a high of 87 tomorrow here, and 83 Sunday which I expect will be bumped up, looks like interior ne and the boston metro once again crushed the south coast as far as highs today which is normal unless there is a downsloping wind, after all BDR is one of the cooler summer locations for major sites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 I dont consider 80 in the closing days of August a big cool down, nice to see NWS OKX forecasting a high of 87 tomorrow here, and 83 Sunday which I expect will be bumped up, looks like interior ne and the boston metro once again crushed the south coast as far as highs today which is normal unless there is a downsloping wind, after all BDR is one of the cooler summer locations for major sites. LOL Snowman DJ spinmeister, BDR was warmer than all 4 of our SNE major climo sites for July, cool my arse, PVD, ORH were the cool spots 73. and 73.8 , BDR was a stifling 77.6. This continues for August, 2 degrees warmer than the closest, talk about spin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Torchey Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 LOL Snowman DJ spinmeister, BDR was warmer than all 4 of our SNE major climo sites for July, cool my arse, PVD, ORH was the cool spots 73. and 73.8 , BDR was a stifling 77.6. This continues for August, 2 degrees warmer than the closest, talk about spin. historically speaking LOL, suprised you even responded to that one Steve, you are slipping, tstorm klingon shield in tact today, its unbelievable beautiful with a delightful southerly breeze off the water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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